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nykbasketball
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3/25/2010  10:58 AM
There has been a lot of discussion on who is worth a max contract and who the top tier players are and stuff along those lines. I want to know what the general opinion on who the best players in the game today are, not which players you would sign to a max contract (for example I think tyreke evans would get a max contract if he hit the market today, but he is not in the top tier of players yet).

Here is who I consider to be the best players in the game today (in no particular order):
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard (his stats do not tell the whole story... he has a huge impact on every game)

Almost there but not quite (Tier 2 and Tier 3)...
Chris Bosh (a top tier player doesn't lead a talented team to the lottery)
Rajon Rondo (he is borderline tier 1... he impacts the game in so many ways... if he gets a jumpshot he's in)
Brandon Roy (I don't think he can give more than what he's doing right now)
Joe Johnson (everyone in NY knows he isn't worth a max... except Donnie)
Danny Granger (good player... can't carry a team)
Monta Ellis (carrying the warriors but can't get wins because they give up 150 points a game)
Chauncey Billups (he's only getting better which is very strange for his age)
Amare Stoudamire (finally getting healthy again)
Zach Randolph (gotta give it to him... the man has earned it)
Josh Smith (the ultimate x-factor... he does it all and makes big plays)
Derrick Rose (I don't think his ceiling is much higher than where it is right now)
Carlos Boozer (definition of consistent)
Deron Williams (very underrated)
David Lee (he is god on this board but just a very good player in reality)
Andre Igoudala (2 way player with a very diverse game and he is super athletic)
Pao Gasol (the man is soft but he has a lot of skill)
Paul Pierce (hate his guts but he's a gamer)

Fading Stars... (these guys should start looking for the vet minimum on a championship team to get a ring)
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett
Ray Allen
Allen Iverson
Shaq
Yao Ming

Could be at the top in a few years...
Tyreke Evans (worth the max)
Rudy Gay (can he be a lesser version of durant??)
Brook Lopez (would consider giving him the max)
OJ Mayo (he has a kobe like demeanor on the court and the work ethic to match)
Russel Westbrook
Darren Collison
Al Horford


I went a little overboard here and did basically everybody because I have some time to kill but I still think my top tier of Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant, Melo, Dirk, Dwight, and CP3 is spot on.

What players make up your top tier? I'm curious to see the how the board feels about the borderline guys like Dirk, Bosh, and Johnson.

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3/25/2010  1:09 PM
I'm curious why you mention Dirk Joe Johnson/Chris Bosh in the same sentence? Dirk has led has team for 10 straight years to 50+ win seasons and post season appearances, Finals appearance, and two WCF appearances. He hasn't shown any signs of slowing down (knock on wood) very rarely misses games due to injuries has not had any major surgeries. Joe Johnson is a nice all-star type player but that's it. Dirk has literally reshaped that Mavs franchise into a perennial contenders. Don't get me started on Bosh he can barely get the Raptors into the playoffs in a crappy conference.
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3/25/2010  1:17 PM
Bogut should get some shine.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
nykbasketball
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3/25/2010  1:19 PM
Well I think Dirk is better than Bosh and Johnson I just think he is underrated and people don't give dirk enough respect for what he has accomplished because Dallas for the most part has not had success in the playoffs
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3/25/2010  1:23 PM
nykbasketball wrote:Well I think Dirk is better than Bosh and Johnson I just think he is underrated and people don't give dirk enough respect for what he has accomplished because Dallas for the most part has not had success in the playoffs

Again that is a misconception that Dallas has not had playoff success. Look at the number of playoff series Dallas has won and you will find that it is a very short list of Franchises who have performed better. Remember Dallas has been doing this for 10 years (including this year) and they've done well despite not winning the title. Out of the West only LA, SA, and Dallas have been to the Finals.
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3/25/2010  1:30 PM
I agree with you bitty, I'm saying most people just remember the series where they lost to the warriors in the first round when they were the #1 seed (I think) and just make the assumption that Dallas doesnt perform in the playoffs which isn't true like you said
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3/25/2010  1:34 PM
nykbasketball wrote:I agree with you bitty, I'm saying most people just remember the series where they lost to the warriors in the first round when they were the #1 seed (I think) and just make the assumption that Dallas doesnt perform in the playoffs which isn't true like you said


Yea I know just think the Mavs and Dirk don't get enough respect which is what you started of saying so we agree.
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3/25/2010  1:37 PM
^^^reason imho they dont get respect is b/c they've been so close and good for so long but never been able to get a chip. kinda like the nfl billa in their heydey. even w the addition of jamison, they dont seem to have what it takes to get that monkey off their back again this year.
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3/25/2010  1:51 PM
jimimou wrote:^^^reason imho they dont get respect is b/c they've been so close and good for so long but never been able to get a chip. kinda like the nfl billa in their heydey. even w the addition of jamison, they dont seem to have what it takes to get that monkey off their back again this year.

I think they may need another year together and I have questions about Carisle's big game coaching nonetheless I still believe in the Mavs.
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3/25/2010  1:51 PM
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out
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3/25/2010  1:53 PM
i hear ya. jeff van gundy is rumored to wanna go back to coaching. possibility? i still think they need a little shuffling - as an example - if they were able to land sjax instead of charlotte, they couldve gotten that final piece.
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3/25/2010  2:07 PM
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

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3/25/2010  2:23 PM
nykbasketball wrote:
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

CP3 is grossly overrated does not belong in the category of Kobe Lebron. I actually prefer Williams over CP3 because the guy can actually stay healthy and plays a more cohesive team game.
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3/25/2010  2:25 PM
nykbasketball wrote:
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

Deron Williams > CP3

I cant believe how Deron doesn't get credit because he plays in Utah.

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3/25/2010  2:36 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
nykbasketball wrote:
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

Deron Williams > CP3

I cant believe how Deron doesn't get credit because he plays in Utah.

CP3 eFG% > Deron Williams eFG%

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3/25/2010  2:41 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
nykbasketball wrote:
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

Deron Williams > CP3

I cant believe how Deron doesn't get credit because he plays in Utah.

IMO he's the best point guard in the league, he knows exactly when to pass and when to shoot, He runs the best P/R next to NASH, and he can post up, slash, hit the 3ball, and is very clutch, solid on defense, and makes everyone around him better.

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3/25/2010  2:45 PM
Steve Nash isn't fading at all!!! He's producing at a near career high level this year. It's hard to know how much longer he can keep that up, but since they've slowed their pace down a bit it's conceivable that he could keep it going for a few more years. He's still able to get his team into the top 5 in the West and could get to 50 wins. That ain't bad at all. Since his game isn't predicated on super athletic ability, he's a candidate to be effective late in his career. He's kind of like a grizzled vet pitcher that just has the knack for getting guys out, despite not having a 94 mph fastball. Those guys last forever.
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3/25/2010  2:51 PM
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett

all of these guys still have plenty of basketball left in them if u ask me... no way would i put them into no "veteran's minimum" category to win a ring... they all can be key components of any championship roster.

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3/25/2010  2:58 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
nykbasketball wrote:
Deron williams is definetly a top tier player, im not sure why you left him out

I don't think williams is a top tier player, I personally am not a huge fan of his game but I'm not going to deny the fact that he is very very good, I just don't consider him on the same level as guys like Kobe, Lebron, and CP3.

Deron Williams > CP3

I cant believe how Deron doesn't get credit because he plays in Utah.

CP3 eFG% > Deron Williams eFG%

no lie

I seem to love guys with the lower eFG%. Consistency!

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3/25/2010  2:59 PM
TMS wrote:
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Kevin Garnett

all of these guys still have plenty of basketball left in them if u ask me... no way would i put them into no "veteran's minimum" category to win a ring... they all can be key components of any championship roster.

Totally agree and it's a testament to how great they are that they are still so productive and impactful.
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