Bippity10 wrote:Wilson Chandler
Danilo Gallinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
JR Giddens

Anyone notice we have 5 young guys on this roster who not only can play, but have room to grow as well. Gallinari has improved and diversified his offense since day one. Wilson was steadily improving before the injury. Toney Douglas has shown growth. Walker has as much upside as any of them if he works hard. Giddens has shown great effort. If all 5 are on the roster next year that's a pretty good young group. Let's put the biotch machine down for a minute or two and take a look at what is developing.

I agree to some extent NY could have these guys in fold for jobs 2010/11 (Gallo is a lock)
Chandler stock is up and he can and should stay OR be used as trade bait for filling Knicks
needs. But I hope Wes sticks here.

Problem is even with room to grown none of whom mentioned are bangers
3-4 players are similar height and skill level can run and play 2 way
but none are real POST players or put back points type of players.

Closest are Wes and perhaps Walker at times (paint points)
I'd like NY to get few more guys 6 10 or close with similar efforts of the guys cited
whom can bang and post play, pass, be quick and perhaps clog up the middle on Defense.

Not sure if MDA like these post bangers Knicks need
is reason i have some issues with Dantoni. He is just useless when it comes to having size
or developing them. Any pro coach whom has issue with Shaq has issue with me, cause I never
got that. Coach MDA made Shaq adjust to his style not any of the other way (SUNs using shaq)
is reason why MDA failed in Phoenix-land.

Allanfan20 wrote:I like Giddens a little more, each time I see him.

I think he will be a good cheap fit next season if his knee holds up. Just got done with surgery, needs time to get back in playing shape.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Wilson Chandler
Danilo Gallinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
JR Giddens

Anyone notice we have 5 young guys on this roster who not only can play, but have room to grow as well. Gallinari has improved and diversified his offense since day one. Wilson was steadily improving before the injury. Toney Douglas has shown growth. Walker has as much upside as any of them if he works hard. Giddens has shown great effort. If all 5 are on the roster next year that's a pretty good young group. Let's put the biotch machine down for a minute or two and take a look at what is developing.

I agree to some extent NY could have these guys in fold for jobs 2010/11 (Gallo is a lock)
Chandler stock is up and he can and should stay OR be used as trade bait for filling Knicks
needs. But I hope Wes sticks here.

Problem is even with room to grown none of whom mentioned are bangers
3-4 players are similar height and skill level can run and play 2 way
but none are real POST players or put back points type of players.

Closest are Wes and perhaps Walker at times (paint points)
I'd like NY to get few more guys 6 10 or close with similar efforts of the guys cited
whom can bang and post play, pass, be quick and perhaps clog up the middle on Defense.

Not sure if MDA like these post bangers Knicks need
is reason i have some issues with Dantoni. He is just useless when it comes to having size
or developing them. Any pro coach whom has issue with Shaq has issue with me, cause I never
got that. Coach MDA made Shaq adjust to his style not any of the other way (SUNs using shaq)
is reason why MDA failed in Phoenix-land.

This was supposed to be a thread abut the young guys on this team and as usual it turns into biotch machine as Bip suggested..You guys just cant help yourselves....

Uptown wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Wilson Chandler
Danilo Gallinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
JR Giddens

Anyone notice we have 5 young guys on this roster who not only can play, but have room to grow as well. Gallinari has improved and diversified his offense since day one. Wilson was steadily improving before the injury. Toney Douglas has shown growth. Walker has as much upside as any of them if he works hard. Giddens has shown great effort. If all 5 are on the roster next year that's a pretty good young group. Let's put the biotch machine down for a minute or two and take a look at what is developing.

I agree to some extent NY could have these guys in fold for jobs 2010/11 (Gallo is a lock)
Chandler stock is up and he can and should stay OR be used as trade bait for filling Knicks
needs. But I hope Wes sticks here.

Problem is even with room to grown none of whom mentioned are bangers
3-4 players are similar height and skill level can run and play 2 way
but none are real POST players or put back points type of players.

Closest are Wes and perhaps Walker at times (paint points)
I'd like NY to get few more guys 6 10 or close with similar efforts of the guys cited
whom can bang and post play, pass, be quick and perhaps clog up the middle on Defense.

Not sure if MDA like these post bangers Knicks need
is reason i have some issues with Dantoni. He is just useless when it comes to having size
or developing them. Any pro coach whom has issue with Shaq has issue with me, cause I never
got that. Coach MDA made Shaq adjust to his style not any of the other way (SUNs using shaq)
is reason why MDA failed in Phoenix-land.

This was supposed to be a thread abut the young guys on this team and as usual it turns into biotch machine as Bip suggested..You guys just cant help yourselves....

We can make it even more about the young players and wonder if the youth is playing because Walsh told MDA to - because, gee, as a GM he'd like to know what he has or doesn't have- or if MDA has run out of other bodies, and hence has to play his younger players.

I think Walsh might have had something to do with the young players getting time, especially TD.

I know he is probably more hungry than lets say Chris Duhon, but most of us saw flashes of TD when he got on the court- enough to wonder why MDA wasn't playing him more.

Who knows, maybe if TD had gotten regular playing time from game 1, and had been made starting PG either in Late Dec or early Jan, we might have a much more developed 1st year PG to slot in to the starting line up next year, and who knows, maybe MDA could have matched his win total from last year!

TD-I'm not sure TD will learn to run the PG position on a full-time basis. I think you will see him more in the Barbosa type role as we move through time. Still a very valuable role in this offense. Add his defense to the mix and he's a legit player. However he has to stop gambling on defense. He does get steals but he also gives up a ton of "where did my man go" threes when he gambled on teh double team. He's a hard working kid who learns(notice he started pulling up last night instead of blasting through the lane after he drew that first charge) so over time I think he will learn like Charlie Ward did......So much for "no J" and too little athletic ability to get his shot off.

Walker-Tough to evaluate at this point because this is his first real playing time. Tough to determine what is a trend and what is not. If I was the typical talent evaluator on this site I would just scream that he is a bust and that Walsh blew it on the Nate trade but instead I will give this time. Athletic ability is obvious. the jumper is surprising although I'm not sold yet. He obviously needs to work on his defense. But the more I watch him play the more I realize that he was "infected" in Boston. He makes smart and deliberate passes, he plays team D and most importantly gives no layups. I see him right now as a poor man's Wilson Chandler with a chance to develop. Chandler is better defensively, has a more consistent mid-range game and is more confident. Walker actually reminds me of Stanley Robinson at CT. Supreme athletic ability, drifts in out mentally and does not seem to realize yet how much is athletic ability will help his offensive game. He needs more playing time to develop this confidence and hopefully will work hard at the same time. He can turn himself into a legit player if he works hard enough.

Giddens-I like Giddens. Haven't seen enough to make a thorough eval(should I just call him a bust?) but I like his effort. He plays D and really gets after it on the boards. At this point seems like a great energy guy off the bench.

Paladin55 wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Wilson Chandler
Danilo Gallinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
JR Giddens

Anyone notice we have 5 young guys on this roster who not only can play, but have room to grow as well. Gallinari has improved and diversified his offense since day one. Wilson was steadily improving before the injury. Toney Douglas has shown growth. Walker has as much upside as any of them if he works hard. Giddens has shown great effort. If all 5 are on the roster next year that's a pretty good young group. Let's put the biotch machine down for a minute or two and take a look at what is developing.

Yep.

And Lee, Chandler, Gallo, and Douglas have all been playing extremely well overall.

I don't know about Giddens. Walker showed some real good games and now some pretty shaky ones but I do like a lot of what I see from him. Plays very hard.

How bad was the injury Giddens had? He seems to be a tough kid who can play some D and mix it up. I still don't know how he and Walker will work out- I have a feeling that one, but not both will stick, but I would not be unhappy if both of them were low cost players on our roster next year.

Interesting to see how MDA and Walsh evaluate them over the rest of the season.

He had arthroscopic surgery on his knee on feb 2nd(not sure what was wrong) and returned the middle of March about 6 weeks later. Couldn't have been that bad. He doesn't appear to be laboring at all either

Marv wrote:omg look who's back. time to refresh your ignore settings guys.

and here I thought Andrew had done everyone a solid and banned Bip.