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fishmike
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3/23/2010  10:49 PM
looks a lot better when the guards actually play some. Giddens, Walker and Douglas challenged every shot and every drive. Kept the frontcourt guys from being exposed over and over again.

This team has potential. If they can get a 2nd big and if Douglas is the real deal it could get interesting

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3/23/2010  10:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2010  10:54 PM
fishmike wrote:looks a lot better when the guards actually play some. Giddens, Walker and Douglas challenged every shot and every drive. Kept the frontcourt guys from being exposed over and over again.

This team has potential. If they can get a 2nd big and if Douglas is the real deal it could get interesting

Had to agree - block, charge, 3 stills, 16 boards, 5 fouls, hold his man, helped a lot on Melo and JR. Still get 12 and 3 assists.
Probly his best defensive game yet...

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3/23/2010  11:04 PM
I agree. You actually saw Lee show some desire to stop shots. I like that he used all his fouls, and was working more on the defensive end. The whole team looked much better on D, and with Gallo, Giddens and Douglas working hard, it seems to have spread a bit. So much more enjoyable to watch the game, win or lose, when they are working like they have been the last few games.
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3/23/2010  11:10 PM
fishmike wrote:looks a lot better when the guards actually play some. Giddens, Walker and Douglas challenged every shot and every drive. Kept the frontcourt guys from being exposed over and over again.

This team has potential. If they can get a 2nd big and if Douglas is the real deal it could get interesting

If No LBJ--but Im thinking it is now possible--
Resign David Lee
2nd premium big max Bosh or Stoudemire
Fredette for back up PG
Retain Al Harrington for bench
Giddens and walker continue to devlop
T mac vet min

Line up

Bosh
Lee
Gallo
Chandler
Douglas
Harrintgon
Tmac
Giddens
Walker
Fredette
6-11 athletic big man drafte free agency SL etc..

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arkrud
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3/23/2010  11:13 PM
nychamp wrote:I agree. You actually saw Lee show some desire to stop shots. I like that he used all his fouls, and was working more on the defensive end. The whole team looked much better on D, and with Gallo, Giddens and Douglas working hard, it seems to have spread a bit. So much more enjoyable to watch the game, win or lose, when they are working like they have been the last few games.

I think with Mike (as with any coach with a system) the team needs to settle down with specific rotations and more this current group played together better they look.
Still cleaning the crup was much higher priority that winning games and even get into palyoffs. So no complaines.

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3/23/2010  11:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/23/2010  11:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:looks a lot better when the guards actually play some. Giddens, Walker and Douglas challenged every shot and every drive. Kept the frontcourt guys from being exposed over and over again.

This team has potential. If they can get a 2nd big and if Douglas is the real deal it could get interesting

If No LBJ--but Im thinking it is now possible--
Resign David Lee
2nd premium big max Bosh or Stoudemire
Fredette for back up PG
Retain Al Harrington for bench
Giddens and walker continue to devlop
T mac vet min

Line up

Bosh
Lee
Gallo
Chandler
Douglas
Harrintgon
Tmac
Giddens
Walker
Fredette
6-11 athletic big man drafte free agency SL etc..

Good backup plan if big FA will bolt on us (and they most likely will).
Then we will have another shot next year to improve the team... and a lot of space to do so.

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Cosmic
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3/23/2010  11:37 PM
Lee himself has been playing more and more defense over the past 6 weeks or so. It's noticeable now that he is playing defense.

Doing this makes it a lot harder to just dismiss the possibility of re-signing him.

The deadline trade makes this a greater possibility as now we can sign a max/near max player AND retain Lee and then look to 2011 to add that additional big time player.

Why it took Lee so long to decide to start playing ANY defense is a tough question to answer. He was so atrocious on defense right into January of this year that you really wondered if he was worth signing to a big contract.

Hopefully he's not just doing this to get that big contract but has actually taken on defense and a semblance of a post game as his next areas of improvement.

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3/23/2010  11:50 PM
Cosmic wrote:Lee himself has been playing more and more defense over the past 6 weeks or so. It's noticeable now that he is playing defense.

Doing this makes it a lot harder to just dismiss the possibility of re-signing him.

The deadline trade makes this a greater possibility as now we can sign a max/near max player AND retain Lee and then look to 2011 to add that additional big time player.

Why it took Lee so long to decide to start playing ANY defense is a tough question to answer. He was so atrocious on defense right into January of this year that you really wondered if he was worth signing to a big contract.

Hopefully he's not just doing this to get that big contract but has actually taken on defense and a semblance of a post game as his next areas of improvement.

I think it is. Sometime around after he was called out by reporters for getting owned in the paint against a team (I forgot who) he started to play more decent defense. I remember where he defended himself for being an undersized center and whatnot but he was outed after one truly terrible performance. I'm sure everyone around the league knew he was a bad defender but I don't know if Lee knew they did. Once he started getting hounded in the press for it I think he started giving more of an effort on that end. He's still not very good on defense but he is improved. And for Lee, that's a big step.

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arkrud
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3/24/2010  12:00 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Cosmic wrote:Lee himself has been playing more and more defense over the past 6 weeks or so. It's noticeable now that he is playing defense.

Doing this makes it a lot harder to just dismiss the possibility of re-signing him.

The deadline trade makes this a greater possibility as now we can sign a max/near max player AND retain Lee and then look to 2011 to add that additional big time player.

Why it took Lee so long to decide to start playing ANY defense is a tough question to answer. He was so atrocious on defense right into January of this year that you really wondered if he was worth signing to a big contract.

Hopefully he's not just doing this to get that big contract but has actually taken on defense and a semblance of a post game as his next areas of improvement.

I think it is. Sometime around after he was called out by reporters for getting owned in the paint against a team (I forgot who) he started to play more decent defense. I remember where he defended himself for being an undersized center and whatnot but he was outed after one truly terrible performance. I'm sure everyone around the league knew he was a bad defender but I don't know if Lee knew they did. Once he started getting hounded in the press for it I think he started giving more of an effort on that end. He's still not very good on defense but he is improved. And for Lee, that's a big step.

Some people need to concentrait on one thing at a time and looks like Lee is one of this types.
Some NBA players are so talemted that they can get it all fast but others need to work on it hard to stay competitive.
The result can be simolar zo if not even better. Nash, Billups are good examples of this.
I am not saying Lee is or will be big time player. But the way he works it is not out of the realm of possibility.
Sht happeneds...

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3/24/2010  12:09 AM
Lee's defense tonight... still sucked
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3/24/2010  12:23 AM
Caseloads wrote:Lee's defense tonight... still sucked

Yeah, I was gonna say...

An improvement for him is going from horrific to sucky.

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3/24/2010  12:28 AM
he drew a charge, that's at least some progress... he was avoiding any kind of contact in the paint earlier in the season, literally opening a wide open path to the rim rather than risk drawing a foul... if he continues doing that i don't think u can really complain about his general lack of defensive instincts.
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arkrud
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3/24/2010  12:52 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Caseloads wrote:Lee's defense tonight... still sucked

Yeah, I was gonna say...

An improvement for him is going from horrific to sucky.

Same was said about his jumper...

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3/24/2010  1:02 AM
The defense competed. Wasn't anything special but it competed and showed it has some potential. Maybe if they didn't double Melo at the wrong times, it would have looked better. I'm not a fan of doubling out on the 3 point line!

I was impressed with Giddens. I like him and Walker, and Walker gets a lot of attention, but I love Giddens game a little better.

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3/24/2010  8:10 AM
funny how when the young, hungry players get on the court, their enthusiasm and desire actually starts to rub off on some of the other players who have been mailing it in.

Good thing we don't have any bad rookies playing

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3/24/2010  8:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2010  8:58 AM
They guy played great D last night--his best as a Knick. One play shouldve been on Sportscenter where he blocked and saved the ball from going out of bounds.

This is the scary part--the guy is way to good to just let go for free. We added one player--Douglas and one player has stepped up--Gallo and it has changed the differential.

The Bucks added John Salmons and since they added him they are 16-2 +14

I will say it again--we do NOT need to SUBTRACT--we need to ADD. If you take away a David Lee--thats a huge subtraction.

This season going south had 0 to do with David Lee

A. I would say the number 1 problem was inconsistency from the PG position
B. A close second was team defense
C. No second big--most teasm play with two bigs and we were consistently overwhelmed by size
D. Gallinari and the bench were very inconsistent shooting in the low 40's until the last 5 games

If we address a second big--to me its either Stoudemire of Bosh
Resign Al Harrington to a reasonable contract
Keep Giddens and Walker
Tmac to vet minimum or close for a bench role/spot starter
Back up PG who can shoot the three with consistency {I like Fredette]
6-11 big man with out other pick or find a guy like Mahini for vet minimum etc.. or both

RIP Crushalot😞
fishmike
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3/24/2010  8:50 AM
anyone thats ever played any organized sport knows this. Your not going to be the only one on your team doing something. It just doesnt happen. Ive played organized football and baseball for 15 years. I have played on teams that won and teams that lost. I have played on lousy first year teams. If nobody is playing D your not going to be the only one.

Lee may never be a good defender, but he can certainly be a part of a team that plays good defense. He doesnt have to be a lock down guy. Just challenge shots and clean the glass. Keep scoring at a high rate and keep moving that ball.

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3/24/2010  12:39 PM
I remember when everyone wondered if MDA would want to keep Lee cuz he didn't seem to fit the system. Then over the last two yrs Lee has become the most perfectly suited to the system on the team. The only flaw was help D. Lee wants to stay and he's proving that by making the effort to improve his game yet again.

We've always said that Lee just needs a C next to him that has his back and can help defend the paint. If DW can do that Lee is our best and cheapest option at PF. The only question is would Lebron come if Lee is here instead of Amare or Bosh or JJ3? Is Lebron ok with being the only max player here until we get someone else in 2011?

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3/24/2010  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2010  12:50 PM
nixluva wrote:We've always said that Lee just needs a C next to him that has his back and can help defend the paint.

+1.

See Randolph, Zach.

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3/24/2010  2:19 PM
nixluva wrote:I remember when everyone wondered if MDA would want to keep Lee cuz he didn't seem to fit the system. Then over the last two yrs Lee has become the most perfectly suited to the system on the team. The only flaw was help D. Lee wants to stay and he's proving that by making the effort to improve his game yet again.

We've always said that Lee just needs a C next to him that has his back and can help defend the paint. If DW can do that Lee is our best and cheapest option at PF. The only question is would Lebron come if Lee is here instead of Amare or Bosh or JJ3? Is Lebron ok with being the only max player here until we get someone else in 2011?

If we got Lebron james

we could run

C-Lee
F James
F Gallo
F Cahndler
PG Douglas
F Al Harrington
F Tmac
G Walker or Giddens[or both]
PG hopefully Fredette
thena few mm left over for a 6-11 guy[s]

I still think Mike D likes going small if you add James the guy avg 8-9 rebounds anyway If Gallo can come up to 6--we can rebound very well.

RIP Crushalot😞
Lee's defense tonight

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