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Fasenko got his first start with Utah
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BRIGGS
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3/21/2010  1:57 AM
11 pts 8 reb and 3 blocks +28 in a win against NO.

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3/21/2010  6:52 AM
Not familiar with him, but for a young 7-1 out of Russia not bad stats. Don't forget the 5 TO he got that was a game high. He also was the leader in minutes. Not sure if he is mobile and can shoot, which D'Antoni requires (unless you are a rookie top 10 pick).
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3/21/2010  9:27 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Not familiar with him, but for a young 7-1 out of Russia not bad stats. Don't forget the 5 TO he got that was a game high. He also was the leader in minutes. Not sure if he is mobile and can shoot, which D'Antoni requires (unless you are a rookie top 10 pick).

He runs the floor well for such a big guy. If you are talking risk/reward and our need for size--I believe Fasenko represents one of the best values on the free agent market. He showed you in his first start that he can go 43 [most on the team] score rebound and block shots on a very good team+win while they were short handed. This player will only get better. No matter who is the coach at some point we have to address size--whether that means drafting one 6-11 guy and using open cap space on another. I think a game like this might up his value a bit but I still think you may be looking at a guy you can get for 3-4 years 2.5mm per.

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3/21/2010  9:50 AM
i was flipping channels last night and saw this dude. No reason not to take a flier on him.

Man, Utah is stocked up on young big men. Koufus too, right?

this team ripe for picking on of those big guys? I mean they just gave Brewer away, right?

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3/21/2010  10:15 AM
Well, we do need something at center next year (even if we get Bosh). If that kid is cheap, then we should take a flier.
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3/21/2010  10:33 AM
but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.
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3/21/2010  10:34 AM
martin wrote:i was flipping channels last night and saw this dude. No reason not to take a flier on him.

Man, Utah is stocked up on young big men. Koufus too, right?

this team ripe for picking on of those big guys? I mean they just gave Brewer away, right?

Koufus is under contract--this guy no--UFA. this guy has some nice upside plus he can play now.

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3/21/2010  10:35 AM
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

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3/21/2010  10:41 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

but donnie didn't seem to have influence over him. mda-walsh seems destined to play out like mda-kerr.

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3/21/2010  11:06 AM
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

but donnie didn't seem to have influence over him. mda-walsh seems destined to play out like mda-kerr.

has it really gotten that far between the Don and MDA?

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3/21/2010  11:13 AM
Effective player and definitely could turn into the type of big that would be HUGE for us.

I haven't watched him since the deadline but from what I remember, he had problems with getting into foul trouble quite easily. With that said, I do like seeing young guys like that aggressive on defense. I think he will only get better with time.

Definitely the type of player we should look at.

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martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

but donnie didn't seem to have influence over him. mda-walsh seems destined to play out like mda-kerr.

has it really gotten that far between the Don and MDA?

not yet. but look what's happened. donnie recognizes how poor our interior defense is, so lands darko and jordan hill. mda ices darko very early on and hardly plays hill at all. meanwhile our interior D is horrible, we have no rebounding except for lee, and lee gets killed on D against all the 5's he's playing. donnie finally gives up and trades them both - they both start posting double-digit boards and multiple blocks. obviously they could have played and helped us - mda simply wouldn’t use them.

so now briggs is recommending another young big. how much more do you think donnie's gonna take if he gets mda more interior defensive help and mda won't use it? we already have the verbal tension through the press regarding the defensive assistant coach.

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3/21/2010  11:40 AM
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

but donnie didn't seem to have influence over him. mda-walsh seems destined to play out like mda-kerr.

has it really gotten that far between the Don and MDA?

not yet. but look what's happened. donnie recognizes how poor our interior defense is, so lands darko and jordan hill. mda ices darko very early on and hardly plays hill at all. meanwhile our interior D is horrible, we have no rebounding except for lee, and lee gets killed on D against all the 5's he's playing. donnie finally gives up and trades them both - they both start posting double-digit boards and multiple blocks. obviously they could have played and helped us - mda simply wouldn’t use them.

so now briggs is recommending another young big. how much more do you think donnie's gonna take if he gets mda more interior defensive help and mda won't use it? we already have the verbal tension through the press regarding the defensive assistant coach.

Donnie also wanted to play Gallo and Chandler big minutes and trade jefferies desperately. He also wanted to change the culture of the team - getting rid of all of Isiah's malcontents and contracts. Do you reward players with minutes that have not earned it? What does that do to long term development of rookies and young player etc? What message does that provide the team.

I thought Hill and Douglas should have played more this season. From what we have heard about Darko re training camp and what we know about him from previous teams, are we really insisting that Darko should be played just cause he puts up stats on a crappy Minny team? Do you cut Lee's minutes to play Darko? What does that do to his phychie?

I have already stated that I would have liked to have seen Hill and Douglas play more (10 minutes a game is not much to ask and wouldn't have effected others), but walk with me through this argument: will not playing in their first season really hurt the player long term IF in fact they are getting the necessary whatever off court? Was Lee's career or development hurt by Brown? Is there something to be said for seasoning a rookie on the bench for a little while? Douglas is going to play a few games less than Nash played his rookie season (and probably average more minutes). I am also considering the fact that he was a 2 guard for most of his collegiate play and looked utterly lost running the SL team and during the first games he played (he did well in a SG role).

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3/21/2010  12:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2010  12:21 PM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Marv wrote:but is there any reason to think that mda would actually play him? he seems to be giving a pretty clear message that he wants a 3-forward frontline.

Even though MDA is the coach--you cant appease him 1-15.

but donnie didn't seem to have influence over him. mda-walsh seems destined to play out like mda-kerr.

has it really gotten that far between the Don and MDA?

not yet. but look what's happened. donnie recognizes how poor our interior defense is, so lands darko and jordan hill. mda ices darko very early on and hardly plays hill at all. meanwhile our interior D is horrible, we have no rebounding except for lee, and lee gets killed on D against all the 5's he's playing. donnie finally gives up and trades them both - they both start posting double-digit boards and multiple blocks. obviously they could have played and helped us - mda simply wouldn’t use them.

so now briggs is recommending another young big. how much more do you think donnie's gonna take if he gets mda more interior defensive help and mda won't use it? we already have the verbal tension through the press regarding the defensive assistant coach.

Donnie also wanted to play Gallo and Chandler big minutes and trade jefferies desperately. He also wanted to change the culture of the team - getting rid of all of Isiah's malcontents and contracts. Do you reward players with minutes that have not earned it? What does that do to long term development of rookies and young player etc? What message does that provide the team.

I thought Hill and Douglas should have played more this season. From what we have heard about Darko re training camp and what we know about him from previous teams, are we really insisting that Darko should be played just cause he puts up stats on a crappy Minny team? Do you cut Lee's minutes to play Darko? What does that do to his phychie?

playing Darko over Bender would have been a start... did we really need a 7 footer who could barely run up & down the court & brought zero to the game other than the ability to shoot a wide open 3 pointer seeing minutes this season? what did Bender do to earn the minutes he got this season? & by playing him over certain other guys that were more deserving, what kind of message did that send to the team? if Darko rubbed MDA the wrong way, then Jordan Hill should have been seeing those minutes... either way, Bender had no business getting any burn this year, not even over Marcus Landry, another rookie that never got any burn... Bender was strictly a 12th man option off the bench at best.

also Marv left out the fact that MDA has already expressed clear opposition to bringing in a defensive assistant coach to help him w/his defensive schemes... similar opposition to changing his defensive schemes was the root cause for him leaving Phoenix.

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