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3/18/2010  9:53 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/03/18/2010-03-18_dantoni_says_system_can_win_in_east.html

Mike D'Antoni says up-tempo play style can work for New York Knicks like it did for Phoenix Suns

BY Frank Isola
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Thursday, March 18th 2010, 4:00 AM

BOSTON - Mike D'Antoni remains adamant, almost defiant, that his up-tempo style will win big in the Eastern Conference. But only on one condition.

It helps to have someone like Steve Nash or a certain MVP small forward and future free agent running the offense.

"You need playmakers," D'Antoni said before last night's game against Boston. "You need guys that can shoot the ball and score. You can do it from the point guard, but you can do it from other than that. I played in Europe. We had other guys do it."

When asked if LeBron James could be that playmaker, the Knicks coach smiled.

D'Antoni averaged 58 wins over four full seasons in Phoenix with Nash as his point guard. D'Antoni estimates that Nash had the ball 80% of the time and that the Suns were fortunate enough to have a player of Amar'e Stoudemire's caliber finishing most of Nash's assists.

"That's the common denominator," D'Antoni said. "(They're) the mainstays."

Replicating what D'Antoni had in Phoenix won't be easy. He's been out of Phoenix for two seasons now, but the Suns are still as explosive as ever. Nash, a two-time MVP, is still at the top of his game, and on Tuesday the Suns scored 152 points in a win over Minnesota.

The score brought back good memories for D'Antoni, who believes that with the right personnel in place the Knicks can become that type of free wheeling, run-and-gun team.

"Sure you can," D'Antoni added. "We have to, yeah. I don't know how to phrase it. "Yeah, we can get up and down. I just don't want the misconception that what Phoenix was and what they are, the best thing they do is the offense. They maximize it and they play as hard on defense as they can. And it was good enough to win 62 games when we were there.

"But people think its all offense and that's not the case. But we're not a defensive juggernaut and walk the ball down."

D'Antoni is ultra-sensitive to the criticism that his teams are weak defensively. Former and current players have said that D'Antoni spends little time coaching defense, which is why there is growing sentiment in the organization that D'Antoni needs to add a defensive coach to his staff.

Last week, D'Antoni said he is opposed to adding another coach, and despite his losing record with the Knicks, he remains confident that his system works, even in the East where teams usually play a more traditional style.

"If I'm not mistaken, we set a record, nobody beat us except Philadelphia the last game, we were 14-1 on the road against the East," D'Antoni said of coaching the Suns.

D'Antoni had superior talent in Phoenix, and if the Knicks score big in the free agent market this summer, he will have the horses next year. If not, D'Antoni may have to do what Pat Riley did when he coached the Knicks following his days with the Showtime Lakers: adjust to the talent and not try to make his talent fit in the system.

"It's just a philosophy that you try to maximize your guys and you can do it any way," D'Antoni said. "Obviously the better players you have, the better the system's going to be. And the better defense you play the better defensive players you have."

"I just don't see the correlation between playing bad defense and playing that way. They have more numbers, but there's no correlation."

this article raises questions in my mind as to whether MDA actually thought that by playing the style of ball we've played in the past 2 years he actually thought he was maximizing the talent we had on the roster... i realize the plan is for 2010, but in the meantime doesn't it fall on the head coach to play a style of ball that would benefit the team as currently constructed? i think it's a fair question to ask.

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3/18/2010  10:22 PM
You're right about that. He has not maximized the talent. I'll disagree with you on how you think the coach needs to motivate, but the style of play has been nothing but a mess.

It could also be Walsh's fault for bringing in the players who can't buy into this seemingly "dream" of a system.

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3/18/2010  10:24 PM
LOL at him talking about needing playmakers when he had a helping hand in passing on Brandon Jennings...

Well then go get some playmakers, you fool.

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3/18/2010  10:25 PM
I'm not sold on Jennings at all yet.
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3/18/2010  10:31 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm not sold on JenningsD'Antoni at allyet.

Fixed.

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3/18/2010  10:31 PM
D'Antoni doesn't get it. He has been nothing without Nash and that is not just with the Knicks. He was just as unsuccessful in Denver and in Phoenix pre-Nash. It is kind of like trying to play the offense LB implented with Iverson the year Philly went to the finals. It worked because of the player. His rigidity, difficulty with communication, inflated self opinion, horrible coaching, and gimmicky system will not be successful unless he has the best ball handler and leader running his team. He has shown that he cannot adapt, coach, communicate, or prepare a team. He also has shown that he is unwilling or unable to coach rookies, guys who might not be finished projects, and anyone that might need guidance or have character flaws. He is being paid 6 mil and he has the luxury of saying we are not successful because we don't have the guys to run my system.
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3/18/2010  10:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:D'Antoni doesn't get it. He has been nothing without Nash and that is not just with the Knicks. He was just as unsuccessful in Denver and in Phoenix pre-Nash. It is kind of like trying to play the offense LB implented with Iverson the year Philly went to the finals. It worked because of the player. His rigidity, difficulty with communication, inflated self opinion, horrible coaching, and gimmicky system will not be successful unless he has the best ball handler and leader running his team. He has shown that he cannot adapt, coach, communicate, or prepare a team. He also has shown that he is unwilling or unable to coach rookies, guys who might not be finished projects, and anyone that might need guidance or have character flaws. He is being paid 6 mil and he has the luxury of saying we are not successful because we don't have the guys to run my system.

There is a lot of ether in this post. Dayum.

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3/18/2010  10:42 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm not sold on JenningsD'Antoni at allyet.

Fixed.

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3/18/2010  10:48 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:You're right about that. He has not maximized the talent. I'll disagree with you on how you think the coach needs to motivate, but the style of play has been nothing but a mess.

It could also be Walsh's fault for bringing in the players who can't buy into this seemingly "dream" of a system.

i mean it was pretty obvious we didn't have the horses to go out & simply outscore other teams the way the Phoenix Suns were able to do when MDA took this job... a mere cursory look at the names on our depth chart would tell u this... shouldn't he have realized that his SSOL system would never work w/the guys we had & that he needed to play a completely different style from the get go? i think he's aware that he needs the players to run his system for it to be effective... so then why didn't we try & draft those types of players? if a playmaking PG is what he needs to be the head of the snake, why didn't we draft one like sebstar pointed out? if Jordan Hill was supposed to be his Amare, what are we doing signing Chris Duhon to be his Steve Nash for when he's never proven to be a playmaking PG in his entire NBA career? because Coach K recommended his character? Gallo is a nice young player but who's role does he emulate from MDA's Suns? certainly not Shawn Marion or Joe Johnson... Boris Diaw may be the closest to how he's using D Lee now as a point forward, & we had a Leandro Barbosa type player in Jamal Crawford but he ended up trading him away for Al Harrington, again, a player who plays a style of ball that doesn't really match w/the type of ball he was running in Phoenix... Al is more suited to play half court style to be effective, he's not an uptempo run & gun style of player... why then, are we trying to play a run & gun style of game? doesn't make any sense to me... we had Q Rich who worked effectively into MDA's system in Phoenix but we traded him away for Darko Milicic, a player who should only be playing in a slow pace half court style game, who then gets no run at all this season & ends up being traded for a player we waive anyway... i just don't understand the ideology or planning that goes into making these types of roster decisions.

when we finally get the horses to play SSOL, that's when we should implement it... in the meantime, when u know u have a team lacking in talent, it would seem to make sense to slow down the pace of the game significantly & not just settle for launching 20 million 3 pointers every game like we've been doing the past 2 years... & if you want to run uptempo, it would make sense to go out & acquire players that can excel in that style of game, but we're doing the exact opposite.

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3/18/2010  11:21 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I'm not sold on JenningsD'Antoni at allyet.

Fixed.


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