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3/16/2010  3:41 PM
Which player would you want to sign for a salary that pays 10 million next year? The options seems to be Lee, Gay, and Boozer. That would leave enough money to sign a shot blocking center like Camby for around 5 million. Obviously, this would be Lebron's choice but it seems that if he signs, but for now the potential lineups are:

Douglas
Gay
LeBron
Gallo
Camby or other shot blocking center

Douglas
McGrady (signed for minimum)/Walker
LeBron
Lee or Boozer
Camby or other shot blocking center

Which would you choose?

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3/16/2010  4:29 PM
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3/16/2010  7:33 PM
if Lebron is amenable to come play in NY w/o another max FA signing, then i'd like to surround him with defensive minded players in free agency... we have enough supplementary scorers on the roster to put up enough offense with Gallo, Wilson & TD if u have Lebron... if u can split the remainder of the cap on guys like Manu & Brendan Haywood, i'd prefer that over signing Amare or D Lee to a big money extension... obviously MDA would go a different route, but that's what i'd go with.

C - Haywood
PF - Gallo
SF - Lebron
SG - Wilson
PG - TD
6 - Manu
7 - Walker
8 - 2nd round pick F/C
9 - Sergio or 2nd round pick PG

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3/16/2010  7:39 PM
TMS wrote:if Lebron is amenable to come play in NY w/o another max FA signing, then i'd like to surround him with defensive minded players in free agency... we have enough supplementary scorers on the roster to put up enough offense with Gallo, Wilson & TD if u have Lebron... if u can split the remainder of the cap on guys like Manu & Brendan Haywood, i'd prefer that over signing Amare or D Lee to a big money extension... obviously MDA would go a different route, but that's what i'd go with.

C - Haywood
PF - Gallo
SF - Lebron
SG - Wilson
PG - TD
6 - Manu
7 - Walker
8 - 2nd round pick F/C
9 - Sergio or 2nd round pick PG


That's a good line-up. Is Haywood available this year? Where's Gallo in the second line-up? But TD as starting PG may be premature after just 5 games? Lets see the rest of the games this season.

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3/16/2010  7:44 PM
loweyecue wrote:
TMS wrote:if Lebron is amenable to come play in NY w/o another max FA signing, then i'd like to surround him with defensive minded players in free agency... we have enough supplementary scorers on the roster to put up enough offense with Gallo, Wilson & TD if u have Lebron... if u can split the remainder of the cap on guys like Manu & Brendan Haywood, i'd prefer that over signing Amare or D Lee to a big money extension... obviously MDA would go a different route, but that's what i'd go with.

C - Haywood
PF - Gallo
SF - Lebron
SG - Wilson
PG - TD
6 - Manu
7 - Walker
8 - 2nd round pick F/C
9 - Sergio or 2nd round pick PG


That's a good line-up. Is Haywood available this year? Where's Gallo in the second line-up? But TD as starting PG may be premature after just 5 games? Lets see the rest of the games this season.

i'd be cool w/TD as my starting PG if we have another orchestrator on the wing... TD can bust his balls all game on ballhawking defense, knock down some open treys & leave the penetrate & dishing duties to Lebron.

Haywood is an UFA this summer... i think we could feasibly split a max contract between him & Manu on shorter term deals than on a defensively challenged Amare Stoudamire... bringing in a physical C in the paint who can play D & block shots should be 1 of our main priorities this summer IMO... i know a lot of people think Manu's old & washed up but i happen to feel he's got a lot of ball left in him... dude comes to play every night.

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3/16/2010  7:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  7:49 PM
I'd like to have Lee back if I had the choice. He's more durable than Boozer and their offensive skill are comparable. I wouldn't mind having Haywood. The thing is, would play Haywood if he was here? Camby can run the floor and hit an outside shot, so I can see him fitting in better with the 'stache. I also wouldn't mind bringing in Brad Miller if the price is right. He doesn't block shots but he bangs and makes his presence known.
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3/16/2010  7:53 PM
i like Camby too, but personally i'd like to get back to a more physical style of play... Camby's more of a finesse player... wouldn't complain if u substituted him for Haywood tho...

if i had to choose between 1's initial 2 rosters, i'd go with the latter (T-Mac would probably take more than a minimum to sign tho if u ask me):

Douglas
McGrady (signed for minimum)/Walker
LeBron
Lee or Boozer
Camby or other shot blocking center

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3/16/2010  8:49 PM
I would rather have Gallo than Lee, though Lee is the natural PF. Lee will cost us too much and is not a two way player. Our starting 4 need to be two way players, only the C can be mainly a defender. Even w/o Lee that team has enough scorers. Bron, Gallo, Wil-Chan, Manu, Tmac/Walker, TD

I would LOVE to have Manu G, we could only be so lucky! Lebron, Camby, Manu on the same team! One of the cleverest players in the game, even at this age he can take over games from time to time.

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3/16/2010  10:36 PM
i think u have to figure Gallo will play the 4 with Lebron at the 3 if he signs here, or vice versa... unless u re-sign Lee to be your starting 4... either way, i personally wouldn't want Lee or Gallo as the starting 5 next season... it leaves us way too undersized again & we need to address that this summer... i guess u can always play Lebron & Gallo on the wings w/Lee at the 4 & Wilson as your 6th man scorer off the bench... whatever happens, i think we definitely need to bring in a legit C this summer that can provide some shotblocking & defense in the paint.
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3/16/2010  11:08 PM
Terrico White
Chandler
Gay
LeBron
Varnado

Ray Allen
Walker
Gallo
Douglas
Adam Morrison

White - Chandler - Gay - LeBron - Varnado - a wingspan wet dream

I don't believe LeBron would come here without star #2, but this would be something like a rich man's Sacramento Kings.

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3/17/2010  9:32 AM
1 wrote:Which player would you want to sign for a salary that pays 10 million next year? The options seems to be Lee, Gay, and Boozer. That would leave enough money to sign a shot blocking center like Camby for around 5 million. Obviously, this would be Lebron's choice but it seems that if he signs, but for now the potential lineups are:

Douglas
Gay
LeBron
Gallo
Camby or other shot blocking center

Douglas
McGrady (signed for minimum)/Walker
LeBron
Lee or Boozer
Camby or other shot blocking center

Which would you choose?

The second lineup does not have a 3 pt shooter other than Douglas. IMO you need two shooters in your lineup if you have Lebron on your team. Gives people for Lebron to kick it out to and it opens up the middle. Whether or not you think Gallo is the guy you want taking the open Js is one thing, but you need some jump shooters with better than midrange ability on a Lebron team.

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3/17/2010  9:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2010  9:54 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
1 wrote:Which player would you want to sign for a salary that pays 10 million next year? The options seems to be Lee, Gay, and Boozer. That would leave enough money to sign a shot blocking center like Camby for around 5 million. Obviously, this would be Lebron's choice but it seems that if he signs, but for now the potential lineups are:

Douglas
Gay
LeBron
Gallo
Camby or other shot blocking center

Douglas
McGrady (signed for minimum)/Walker
LeBron
Lee or Boozer
Camby or other shot blocking center

Which would you choose?

The second lineup does not have a 3 pt shooter other than Douglas. IMO you need two shooters in your lineup if you have Lebron on your team. Gives people for Lebron to kick it out to and it opens up the middle. Whether or not you think Gallo is the guy you want taking the open Js is one thing, but you need some jump shooters with better than midrange ability on a Lebron team.

u bring up a good point there but you could always have Gallo come off the bench as your 6th man in the second scenario... i doubt we'd be able to get Rudy Gay regardless tho w/him being a RFA... a max offer for him would amount to $12 mil in the 1st year of his deal, which they could probably swing over the longterm with Zach's contract coming off the books after next season.

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3/17/2010  10:04 AM
TMS wrote:if Lebron is amenable to come play in NY w/o another max FA signing, then i'd like to surround him with defensive minded players in free agency... we have enough supplementary scorers on the roster to put up enough offense with Gallo, Wilson & TD if u have Lebron... if u can split the remainder of the cap on guys like Manu & Brendan Haywood, i'd prefer that over signing Amare or D Lee to a big money extension... obviously MDA would go a different route, but that's what i'd go with.

C - Haywood
PF - Gallo
SF - Lebron
SG - Wilson
PG - TD
6 - Manu
7 - Walker
8 - 2nd round pick F/C
9 - Sergio or 2nd round pick PG

Keep in mind, Washington's interior defense gave up a very high FG% inside the paint when Haywood was there (may have even been the highest). So I'm not convinced that Haywood is as great of a defender as people think he is. On top of that, there was a research paper done at the MIT Sloan conference that showed his blocks aren't really as valuable as they look either:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/14032/the-value-of-a-blocked-shot

I think the big problem with the above lineup though is we wouldn't have enough consistent scorers on offense (just LeBron and Manu at this point) and would have to bank on Gallo and/or Chandler improving a lot by next season.

That is a lot to depend on because our defense with the above lineup would need to be ELITE to make the Knicks a contender and I don't see it with that lineup.

I think we would be better off signing an Amare or Lee in that situation which would at least take our offense to a high level. You can always trade for defensive-minded role players afterwards. It would cost a lot more to trade for someone like Lee or Amare though, so why not just sign one of them outright?

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3/17/2010  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2010  10:23 AM
s3231 wrote:
TMS wrote:if Lebron is amenable to come play in NY w/o another max FA signing, then i'd like to surround him with defensive minded players in free agency... we have enough supplementary scorers on the roster to put up enough offense with Gallo, Wilson & TD if u have Lebron... if u can split the remainder of the cap on guys like Manu & Brendan Haywood, i'd prefer that over signing Amare or D Lee to a big money extension... obviously MDA would go a different route, but that's what i'd go with.

C - Haywood
PF - Gallo
SF - Lebron
SG - Wilson
PG - TD
6 - Manu
7 - Walker
8 - 2nd round pick F/C
9 - Sergio or 2nd round pick PG

Keep in mind, Washington's interior defense gave up a very high FG% inside the paint when Haywood was there (may have even been the highest). So I'm not convinced that Haywood is as great of a defender as people think he is. On top of that, there was a research paper done at the MIT Sloan conference that showed his blocks aren't really as valuable as they look either:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/14032/the-value-of-a-blocked-shot

I think the big problem with the above lineup though is we wouldn't have enough consistent scorers on offense (just LeBron and Manu at this point) and would have to bank on Gallo and/or Chandler improving a lot by next season.

That is a lot to depend on because our defense with the above lineup would need to be ELITE to make the Knicks a contender and I don't see it with that lineup.

I think we would be better off signing an Amare or Lee in that situation which would at least take our offense to a high level. You can always trade for defensive-minded role players afterwards. It would cost a lot more to trade for someone like Lee or Amare though, so why not just sign one of them outright?

i hate the idea of Lee as my starting 5... don't want to see that under any circumstances... Lee at the 4 i'm cool with but we'll still need a legitimate sized C that can produce... Lee's been playing out on the perimeter a lot more which leaves our rebounding down low somewhat exposed on the offensive glass... if that's how u want to use your 4, u can have Gallo playing that role next season & have a guy who can pull down boards underneath... Haywood is an excellent offensive rebounder & getting second chance points is always important... i think if u have a guy like Lebron, all u really need is a few guys on the perimeter that can knock down J's in terms of offense... TD is capable of dribble penetration too if u need it & Gallo & Wilson are steadily improving every year... i don't think they'd need to take that huge of a jump next year to be viable second & third scoring options to Lebron in a winning formula... plus u have Manu who is a proven key contributor on championship calibre teams... it might not be a championship calibre roster that i posted above, but i think it has more overall balance & depth than one with Lee or Amare playing out of the 5 spot... what would we have left to trade for those defensive minded players anyway? Wilson, Gallo & TD are our only young assets remaining & all 3 of them i'd want to hold onto cuz they actually play defense.

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3/17/2010  11:19 AM
Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley told a group of season ticket holders that the team plans to match any offer Rudy Gay receives this summer.

Gay will be a restricted free agent, meaning that Memphis has the right to match any offer sheet he signs.

Heisley spoke before Tuesday's game against the Bulls at the team's annual "State of the Franchise" Chalk Talk where season ticket holders could ask questions.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/65397/20100317/grizzlies_will_match_any_offer_gay_receives/#ixzz0iRo6JD0s

So much for using Gay at the 4 next season.

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