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holfresh
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3/11/2010  4:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2010  4:49 PM
I'm never one to get on this board to suggest what player should be taken in which spot or even to suggest whom we should have targeted in the draft because it's such a dice game...I think unless it's someone special, we should be targeting our needs...It usually takes 3 to 4 years before a player to really pan out and it's usually a tough one holding a GM accountable four years after the fact...I mean DLee blossomed in his 5th year, he was the 30th pick, are you really gonna hold a GM accountable for that???...I could see Melo and Darko but usually, I don't think so...

With all that being said, in 2009 the Knicks needed a big man to play in the paint and they needed a point guard to replace Duhon...I didn't kill Donnie early on for not selecting Jennings in the 8th spot because as stated, it a dice game...But after seeing Collison and Jennings not just blossom, but play like veterans in their first year in the NBA...I really have to wonder who is in charge of drafting and evaluating players...We are not talking 3 or 4 years removed...We are talking the first year these guys hit the hardwood...We worked out one if not both of these guys...What the hell is going on...

Mike No'D'Antonio takes a hit here as well...He, I presume is in charge of evaluating these players...Certainly the guys doing the evaluating or workouts should know whether or not a talent translates to the NBA game right now, today...Clearly, Collison's and Jenning's game translates...Clearly someone missed something on not one but two point guards in the 2009 draft...We selected a big man that essentially got no burn to see if he had game to help us, before he was traded...Are these the professionals that are trusted to set this organization straight after all the Isiah crap...At least Isiah didn't miss it on draft day...I have ZERO confidence in these clowns parading themselves once again as Knick management and personnel directors...When does it end...
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3/11/2010  5:14 PM
in 2009 the Knicks needed a big man to play in the paint and they needed a point guard to replace Duhon

we sort of addressed both those needs with our picks, they just didn't get any playing time this year... given we could have had Jennings, Holiday, Lawson or Collison at pick #8 but of those guys, only Jennings & Holiday were projected to be lottery calibre talent, & Holiday was also more of a combo G at UCLA... we all know about Jennings & his controversial comments & skipping out on a workout in Europe, which probably played a huge role in getting turned off to him... personally i don't like some of the brashness i see in him this season, kid plays with a lotta heart but he's gonna bite off more than he can chew some day standing over guys 3 times his size after a hard foul the way he did the other night with Big Baby... Allen Iverson was never one to do stuff like that, people respected him for just playing hard every night.

what i think Donnie messed up on was that he could have gotten value out of trading down in the draft from the #8 spot if there wasn't anyone there he was in love with... from his comments on draft night, it didn't seem to me like he was really in love with Jordan Hill... seemed like he was just BPA on their board after Evans & Curry got picked, so we took Jordan Hill by default... i had no real problem w/the pick cuz i'd seen him play in college & thought he had promise, but i would have preferred we take a big upside kid like Demar Derozan or trade down for more value... we could have feasibly walked out of the draft with a real PG like Lawson or Collison rather than Toney Douglas who's really a combo G & still gotten another late pick to take someone like Taj Gibson, who was also on my short list of sleeper picks i wanted to target late in the 1st round or early 2nd & who would have filled our sore need for shotblocking.

i have to question this administration in terms of forward thinking & their ability to adjust to different circumstances on the fly... they don't ever seem to have any contingency plans in place if their plan A doesn't work out... this is what concerns me so much about this T-Mac deal, because we put all our chips on the table on this single gamble that Lebron & another max FA will end up signing here this summer... what happens if that doesn't work out as planned? another "oh well, that didn't work, mine as well try this & hope for the best" type decision? i hope Donnie has a better contingency plan in place this summer.

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3/11/2010  5:23 PM
holfresh wrote:I'm never one to get on this board to suggest what player should be taken in which spot or even to suggest whom we should have targeted in the draft because it's such a dice game...I think unless it's someone special, we should be targeting our needs...It usually takes 3 to 4 years before a player to really pan out and it's usually a tough one holding a GM accountable four years after the fact...I mean DLee blossomed in his 5th year, he was the 30th pick, are you really gonna hold a GM accountable for that???...I could see Melo and Darko but usually, I don't think so...

With all that being said, in 2009 the Knicks needed a big man to play in the paint and they needed a point guard to replace Duhon...I didn't kill Donnie early on for not selecting Jennings in the 8th spot because as stated, it a dice game...But after seeing Collison and Jennings not just blossom, but play like veterans in their first year in the NBA...I really have to wonder who is in charge of drafting and evaluating players...We are not talking 3 or 4 years removed...We are talking the first year these guys hit the hardwood...We worked out one if not both of these guys...What the hell is going on...

Mike No'D'Antonio takes a hit here as well...He, I presume is in charge of evaluating these players...Certainly the guys doing the evaluating or workouts should know whether or not a talent translates to the NBA game right now, today...Clearly, Collison's and Jenning's game translates...Clearly someone missed something on not one but two point guards in the 2009 draft...We selected a big man that essentially got no burn to see if he had game to help us, before he was traded...Are these the professionals that are trusted to set this organization straight after all the Isiah crap...At least Isiah didn't miss it on draft day...I have ZERO confidence in these clowns parading themselves once again as Knick management and personnel directors...When does it end...

We played it safe as usually.

We drafted s big with our lottery pick and a senior with our late first rounder.

Ideally we would have went for Holiday or Jennings at 8 and Blair with that late first rounder. Obviously that was too risky for Donnie.

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3/11/2010  10:21 PM
Two thirds of the picks selected after Gallo are now better than him especially in terms of value.

2009's draft is getting close to that as well.

Lawson, Collison, Beaubois, Jennings, Teague, (not that we needed a PG)...

I mean, that's the stuff that gets a whole front office canned.

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3/11/2010  10:23 PM
The 2008 and 2009 draft were suspect Bar None.
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3/12/2010  1:38 AM
What happens if we are lucky enough to land one or two all stars this summer.

How critical will it be to fill out our roster with very cheap, but capable talent?

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3/12/2010  2:17 AM
franco12 wrote:What happens if we are lucky enough to land one or two all stars this summer.

How critical will it be to fill out our roster with very cheap, but capable talent?

Mang, we get Lebron or Wade and I'll put a jersey on yo ass and send you out on the court to fill out the roster. I'm not trippin'

But if we dont get some true free agent ballers, I'm gunnin' for the old man and thats the TRUTH!

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3/12/2010  2:33 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Two thirds of the picks selected after Gallo are now better than him especially in terms of value.

You must be kidding? Gallo is playing great for a rookie, which he essentially is. Last I checked Lopez' team is going for the record of worst record in NBA history. "2/3 of the picks selected after now Gallo are better than him ESPECIALLY in terms of value." Please, go into the details here, we are dying to know...

One year under his belt and he is already one of our best defenders not to mention best shooters. He just isn't taking many shots, got to give him some time here... (rookie wall was hit but he's been getting better lately).

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3/12/2010  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2010  10:45 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Two thirds of the picks selected after Gallo are now better than him especially in terms of value.

You must be kidding? Gallo is playing great for a rookie, which he essentially is. Last I checked Lopez' team is going for the record of worst record in NBA history. "2/3 of the picks selected after now Gallo are better than him ESPECIALLY in terms of value." Please, go into the details here, we are dying to know...

One year under his belt and he is already one of our best defenders not to mention best shooters. He just isn't taking many shots, got to give him some time here... (rookie wall was hit but he's been getting better lately).

I don't think he is kidding, and that kills any credibility he might have, IMO. I looked at the draft, and it is not bad one, but there is no reason to believe that Gallinari can't improve enough to justify his draft slot.

You can make a case that if Gallo matures physically/gets stronger and his back holds up, he can be a better pick than Beasley, Mayo, Love (They have all had some moments so far in their respective careers, but Gallo can hold his own talentwise with them.), and most other picks in his draft class.

Gallo was, IMO, a legit pick for the Knicks, although I think you can make a case that Lopez could have fit in here also. The two teams who really blew it in that draft were Miami and Minny. Both of them should have picked up Lopez, expecially Miami, since Beasley is not really a PF and he can't seem to play consistent D. And Minny could have moved Jefferson to his natural position if they had taken Lopez- giving them a pretty decent front court.

At the very least, Gallo is "in the mix," now when you discuss the better players who came out of his draft, and this was something none of us could have talked about last year.

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3/12/2010  11:04 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Two thirds of the picks selected after Gallo are now better than him especially in terms of value.

You must be kidding? Gallo is playing great for a rookie, which he essentially is. Last I checked Lopez' team is going for the record of worst record in NBA history. "2/3 of the picks selected after now Gallo are better than him ESPECIALLY in terms of value." Please, go into the details here, we are dying to know...

One year under his belt and he is already one of our best defenders not to mention best shooters. He just isn't taking many shots, got to give him some time here... (rookie wall was hit but he's been getting better lately).

That isn't saying alot considering this is the Knicks we are talking about. My issue with Gallo is that he seems to actually want to hang out on the perimeter and jack 3's.

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3/12/2010  8:20 PM
Whether it is, as some have labeled it, the Patrick Ewing curse or the curse of Jeff Van Gundy, the Knicks are the league's biggest losers dating back to the 2001-02 season when Don Chaney replaced Van Gundy, who resigned following a 10-9 start. (Nowadays, that record would merit a statue on the corner of 33rd and Seventh.)

Every team other than the expansion Charlotte Bobcats has enjoyed at least one winning season over the last nine years and Larry Brown's team is on pace to finish at .500 with 41 wins.

During that period, the Knicks have had Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas and Mike D'Antoni as coaches. They've had three general managers (Scott Layden, Thomas and Donnie Walsh) and too many underachieving players with bloated contracts to count.

Perhaps that's why D'Antoni chuckled when a reporter asked him if there are signs that the club is turning the corner.

"I can tell you July 1," D'Antoni said, alluding to the start of the free agency. "Right now, we're just trying to develop some young guys and be competitive. We have an interesting time ahead of us."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/03/12/2010-03-12_knicks_hope_all_isnt_lost.html#ixzz0i10fXNGb


don't u love how this guy keeps regurgitating that same old BS?

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3/13/2010  1:12 PM
TMS wrote:
Whether it is, as some have labeled it, the Patrick Ewing curse or the curse of Jeff Van Gundy, the Knicks are the league's biggest losers dating back to the 2001-02 season when Don Chaney replaced Van Gundy, who resigned following a 10-9 start. (Nowadays, that record would merit a statue on the corner of 33rd and Seventh.)

Every team other than the expansion Charlotte Bobcats has enjoyed at least one winning season over the last nine years and Larry Brown's team is on pace to finish at .500 with 41 wins.

During that period, the Knicks have had Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas and Mike D'Antoni as coaches. They've had three general managers (Scott Layden, Thomas and Donnie Walsh) and too many underachieving players with bloated contracts to count.

Perhaps that's why D'Antoni chuckled when a reporter asked him if there are signs that the club is turning the corner.

"I can tell you July 1," D'Antoni said, alluding to the start of the free agency. "Right now, we're just trying to develop some young guys and be competitive. We have an interesting time ahead of us."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/03/12/2010-03-12_knicks_hope_all_isnt_lost.html#ixzz0i10fXNGb


don't u love how this guy keeps regurgitating that same old BS?

Yeah, it is pretty sickening. As I've said before, I've lost all faith in No-D'Antoni. I will be open to what he can do next year if we get some talent but as far as developing guys, absolutely terrible.

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