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3/8/2010  11:09 PM
i don't see this guy as the answer for our starting PG woes... he plays way out of control & half the time is penetrating into the paint with no idea what he's going to do with the ball while he's doing it... he finds himself dribbling into double teams & then dishes off to no one & ends up turning the ball over... his perimeter J is highly inconsistent as well... i like his energy & his ability to push the ball up the floor, but he's way too undisciplined to play the point fulltime IMHO... tonight Eddie House who's not even known for his orchestration skills was doing a better job & making better passes into Lee for easy layups.

right now, based off what i've seen from Sergio, i would only consider him as a backup option for next season... he's not really starting material if u ask me... of course, this is a small limited sample, but i think i can see why this kid has never been anything more than a 3rd string PG over his career so far.

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3/8/2010  11:15 PM
What Knicks player looks like a starter?
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3/8/2010  11:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  11:19 PM
Lee, Gallo & Wilson look like viable starters to me... Harrington could probably start on some teams as well.

i bring up Sergio because this has been a topic of discussion of late... everyone got excited over his acquisition... personally i don't see all that much to be excited over... he looks marginally better than Chris Duhon if that... i actually think Toney Douglas is a better player than he is & with more playing time could easily grow into a better PG.

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3/8/2010  11:22 PM
It's unfair to compare a vet like House to him. Despite his limitations he's really far more experienced and has played in this system before.

Like many young PG's Sergio just has to learn and in time the game will slow down for him and he'll make better decisions. His problems are mostly things that can be fixed. He's got the skills and ability to do a lot better. Also don't forget that this team as it is, isn't in complete synch. Some of those issues are what happens when you have guys on the floor that don't really know each other yet. This guy needs to get more training and to play more. I think his problems are VERY fixable. The more he plays and learns this system he's gonna be able to relax and let the game come to him. Not to mention that likely hasn't had time to master the playbook with so few actual practices. Give him the summer training with our people and a camp and I think he can learn to think the game better and the game should slow down for him. His jumper can improve and it's not horrible right now, just not consistent. Some work on his form should help.

I thought TD was pretty energetic too, but as a young guy with very little PT so far he made easily correctable mistakes. I look forward to seeing him get more time. Both TD and Sergio can get into the paint and get to the rim. They don't finish as strong as you'd like, but they get there when they want to.

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3/8/2010  11:28 PM
his jumper has always been inconsistent... 4 years in the NBA over 267 games he's career 30% from distance... that's not good... i don't expect too much improvement there to be honest.
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3/8/2010  11:45 PM
TMS wrote:his jumper has always been inconsistent... 4 years in the NBA over 267 games he's career 30% from distance... that's not good... i don't expect too much improvement there to be honest.

Well who knows things like that have happened. I think if you're trying to say that Sergio is a done product at 23 i'm gonna have to say that you're being biased. Being in the NBA has nothing to do with how fast a player develops. I hate when people bring up time in the league as if that in itself means something. Freakin Jermaine O'Neal was hangin around and not getting much burn and still managed to eventually develop. He was in Portland 4 yrs and that didn't seem to put a cap on what he would eventually become.

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3/8/2010  11:47 PM
TMS wrote:his jumper has always been inconsistent... 4 years in the NBA over 267 games he's career 30% from distance... that's not good... i don't expect too much improvement there to be honest.

he seems very weak with his shot - like its a major effort to get the shot up and to the basket.

But, yea, if he's better than Duhon, wake me.

Now I still think TD can star with the right staff.

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3/8/2010  11:50 PM
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TMS wrote:his jumper has always been inconsistent... 4 years in the NBA over 267 games he's career 30% from distance... that's not good... i don't expect too much improvement there to be honest.

Well who knows things like that have happened. I think if you're trying to say that Sergio is a done product at 23 i'm gonna have to say that you're being biased. Being in the NBA has nothing to do with how fast a player develops. I hate when people bring up time in the league as if that in itself means something. Freakin Jermaine O'Neal was hangin around and not getting much burn and still managed to eventually develop. He was in Portland 4 yrs and that didn't seem to put a cap on what he would eventually become.

i'm not saying he's a finished product, but i have doubts on how much he can improve... i don't see tremendous instincts dishing the ball like u said he had in his first game here... i often see him dribbling with a full head of steam into coverage with no one there to dish the ball off to... he needs to learn how to play under control... very similar to Nate in this respect, only Nate was a much more explosive scorer & a far better jumpshooter.

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3/9/2010  12:06 AM
Sergio looks to need more seasoning but I think he can be a 10 year guy in this year. I agree with TMS about him dribbling into trouble a lot but it's a change from Duhon stop and flop at the 3 point line.
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3/9/2010  2:41 AM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:his jumper has always been inconsistent... 4 years in the NBA over 267 games he's career 30% from distance... that's not good... i don't expect too much improvement there to be honest.

Well who knows things like that have happened. I think if you're trying to say that Sergio is a done product at 23 i'm gonna have to say that you're being biased. Being in the NBA has nothing to do with how fast a player develops. I hate when people bring up time in the league as if that in itself means something. Freakin Jermaine O'Neal was hangin around and not getting much burn and still managed to eventually develop. He was in Portland 4 yrs and that didn't seem to put a cap on what he would eventually become.

i'm not saying he's a finished product, but i have doubts on how much he can improve... i don't see tremendous instincts dishing the ball like u said he had in his first game here... i often see him dribbling with a full head of steam into coverage with no one there to dish the ball off to... he needs to learn how to play under control... very similar to Nate in this respect, only Nate was a much more explosive scorer & a far better jumpshooter.

Sometimes you have stop and take stock of the process. Sergio was whipping passes around when he 1st played here cuz he was just playing on instinct but since then he's having to try n learn the plays and to me that's messing him up cuz he's thinking and not playing fluidly. I would expect that he'll evetually smoothout as he gets familiar with plays and his team.

The hardest spot to walk on a team as a young player and excel is PG. Trust me the kid has the PG tools, he just needs time and training to perfect it. As for his shooting it's not so bad that I can't see it getting better with more focus.

TD is a nice project as a PG, but he still has farther to go in terms of his passing and decision making. We'll see how he looks the rest of the way. I love his quickness and ability to attack the basket. Not the best handle but good enough.

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3/9/2010  4:18 AM
The bottomline is that he is a huge upgrade over Duhon. He actually attacks the opposing team and can push the ball. He needs work, but at 23, I don't think anyone can say that this kid could not turn into a starter. He just needs a couple summers working hard on his jumper and some in-game experience to learn to avoid the careless turnover. I think we have to resign this kid this summer.
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3/9/2010  4:32 AM
honestly, i'd rather save the $2.8M for other FA options this summer & draft a PG w/1 of our 2nd round picks... if we can nab Greivis Vazquez or someone like Nic Wise i'd rather have those guys than Sergio.
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3/9/2010  8:45 AM
TMS wrote:Lee, Gallo & Wilson look like viable starters to me... Harrington could probably start on some teams as well.

i bring up Sergio because this has been a topic of discussion of late... everyone got excited over his acquisition... personally i don't see all that much to be excited over... he looks marginally better than Chris Duhon if that... i actually think Toney Douglas is a better player than he is & with more playing time could easily grow into a better PG.

You guys are still kidding yourselves about Gallo huh? Wilson would start on the right contending team. Lee would have to have the perfect scenario - ie, tell me who is a complimentary front court player for him.

Being at the game last night I can't believe we won. The Hawks got to the paint and not just the paint, they got to the rim with guys attempting to stop them with no problem. It was really sad to watch.

Sergio is the least of our problems and shouldn't be considered more than a bench guard anyway, but he's a big upgrade over what we had.

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3/9/2010  8:52 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
TMS wrote:Lee, Gallo & Wilson look like viable starters to me... Harrington could probably start on some teams as well.

i bring up Sergio because this has been a topic of discussion of late... everyone got excited over his acquisition... personally i don't see all that much to be excited over... he looks marginally better than Chris Duhon if that... i actually think Toney Douglas is a better player than he is & with more playing time could easily grow into a better PG.

You guys are still kidding yourselves about Gallo huh? Wilson would start on the right contending team. Lee would have to have the perfect scenario - ie, tell me who is a complimentary front court player for him.

Being at the game last night I can't believe we won. The Hawks got to the paint and not just the paint, they got to the rim with guys attempting to stop them with no problem. It was really sad to watch.

Sergio is the least of our problems and shouldn't be considered more than a bench guard anyway, but he's a big upgrade over what we had.

What Gallo was not the best Knick last night?

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3/9/2010  9:06 AM
I think it is as simple as Sergio being faster than his teamates. Unless Knicks are on a fast break, they just run down and hang out on the perimeter. Teamates haven't learned to play in sync as of yet.
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3/9/2010  10:13 AM
Travla wrote:I think it is as simple as Sergio being faster than his teamates. Unless Knicks are on a fast break, they just run down and hang out on the perimeter. Teamates haven't learned to play in sync as of yet.

I think this is also true. Dudu has ingrained 20 sec or more offense that they are dumb founded when Sergio is way ahead of them.

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3/9/2010  10:57 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
Travla wrote:I think it is as simple as Sergio being faster than his teamates. Unless Knicks are on a fast break, they just run down and hang out on the perimeter. Teamates haven't learned to play in sync as of yet.

I think this is also true. Dudu has ingrained 20 sec or more offense that they are dumb founded when Sergio is way ahead of them.

THANK YOU GUYS!!!! If you watch the games how many times is he upcourt and no one is running with him? No one streaks out ahead to make a fastbreak happen. I know MDA sees this and guys like Walker and Chan should match his speed more often. I did see Gallo and Lee get rebound and then push the ball up court to start a break a few times, which was encouraging, but the team is stuck at Duhon speed after a season of playing that way.

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3/9/2010  11:13 AM
For once I agree with TMS...Sergio will make a nice backup for us, but in MDA's system, no way is he a good fit. I'm not referring to his out of control forays into the paint followed by a bad pass to a shooter. I am talking about his utter lack of ability to shoot or finish what he starts. I would rather give TD the starting job right now and let Sergio back him up.
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3/9/2010  1:06 PM
Moonangie wrote:For once I agree with TMS...Sergio will make a nice backup for us, but in MDA's system, no way is he a good fit. I'm not referring to his out of control forays into the paint followed by a bad pass to a shooter. I am talking about his utter lack of ability to shoot or finish what he starts. I would rather give TD the starting job right now and let Sergio back him up.

Shooting is BY FAR the EASIEST skill to improve on with work (see Trevor Ariza - possibly the worst shot of all time while with the Knicks).

You can't teach Sergio's vision, ability to get into the paint and passing ability.

He's 23 and far too young to call a finished product.

If he works really hard on his shot --- he could blossom.

Remember Lee couldn't knock down a shot outside of 12 feet when he came to NY -- now he knocks down 18-20 footers consistently and with confidence.

Sergio is 23 and needs both time on the court and time in the gym working on that shot.

I really like the kid and really want him to stick with us.

I envision him playing with better more forceful offensive players and with a inside defensive presense that helps us initiate fast breaks lead by Sergio. It would be fun to see him running and gunning with a full compliment of offensive talent around him.

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3/9/2010  3:57 PM
If guys like Bibby (the way he is now) and Jayson Williams can start for playoff teams, he sure is good enough for the starting job.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
Sergio looks more like a backup to me

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