nixluva wrote:I like Lee, but if i'm remaking the team and I do add a Shotblocking/rebounding C i'd still prefer Bosh/Amare next to that guy, cuz together they'd be a stronger defensive pairing than Lee and that C. We have to decide what kind of team we want to build. IF everyone wants to put the strongest possible defensive team out there, then either one of those guys would be a better option than DLee. He's just not physical enough in comparison to the other PF options. Now if we end up keeping him it's not the end of the world. I just think the other combos would be stronger.

You might have a point, but IMO we have no one on this roster to set the defensive tone, we have a coaching staff that doesn't focus a lot on defense, so no matter who we get (unless it's bron or wade) will have the same issue's.

When people talk about the the raptors, the last thing there worry about his there defense, which means even if we get bosh and keep lee the same problems will be there.
You look at camby when he was on the clips and in denver, again your not looking at those teams saying were going to have trouble scoring because of camby.

But when he was on the knicks, you knew it was going to be a tough scoring night for opponents, because of the rest of team, LJ,EWING,KT,SPREE,WARD,CHILDS..

IN MDA's mind..he knows with the right players, the game is always won by who scores the most..I look around the league and there isn't ONE defensive team out there that could deal with the 90's knicks roster. Now a days a defensive team is a team that plays half court and takes less shots, runs the clock down. Which is why for a brief moment when we slowed it down it looked as if we were playing better D, but in all reality we just slowed down, played zone, and had a 6 11' guy guarding pg.

knicks1248 wrote:If lee had ben wallace skills, would you still be talking about trading him.

If lee could could shoot 3s, would we still be talking abot trading him.

Lee's only promblem is his help defense, had we had camby or a ben playing along side of him, he would already be signed. Whats wrong with a guy avg 20 and 12, last time I check those were franchise numbers.I know this debate has been going forever, but lee deserves to remain in NY and I know he's going to get better and keep getting better.Im sure he's going to develope a 3 point shot just like Zach, Im even willin to go out on a limb and say he will be better then dirk.

He is a really lazy defender, but im sure that has something to do with what the coaching staff as well as his effort..

Im not really seeing ( other then bosh and amare )no big man out there(FA) putting up his numbers. the only reason that those 2 slightly edge out Lee is because bosh can block a shot or 2 and amare is a little more aggressive, other then that he holds his own...Whats the problem here..??

He is playing out of position. He needs a defensive Center behind him.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like Lee, but if i'm remaking the team and I do add a Shotblocking/rebounding C i'd still prefer Bosh/Amare next to that guy, cuz together they'd be a stronger defensive pairing than Lee and that C. We have to decide what kind of team we want to build. IF everyone wants to put the strongest possible defensive team out there, then either one of those guys would be a better option than DLee. He's just not physical enough in comparison to the other PF options. Now if we end up keeping him it's not the end of the world. I just think the other combos would be stronger.

You might have a point, but IMO we have no one on this roster to set the defensive tone, we have a coaching staff that doesn't focus a lot on defense, so no matter who we get (unless it's bron or wade) will have the same issue's.

When people talk about the the raptors, the last thing there worry about his there defense, which means even if we get bosh and keep lee the same problems will be there.
You look at camby when he was on the clips and in denver, again your not looking at those teams saying were going to have trouble scoring because of camby.

But when he was on the knicks, you knew it was going to be a tough scoring night for opponents, because of the rest of team, LJ,EWING,KT,SPREE,WARD,CHILDS..

IN MDA's mind..he knows with the right players, the game is always won by who scores the most..I look around the league and there isn't ONE defensive team out there that could deal with the 90's knicks roster. Now a days a defensive team is a team that plays half court and takes less shots, runs the clock down. Which is why for a brief moment when we slowed it down it looked as if we were playing better D, but in all reality we just slowed down, played zone, and had a 6 11' guy guarding pg.

I think there's this misconception about what is gonna make a team tough defensively. You have to start with at least a few guys that have not only the desire but the physical ability to defend. No guys that are slow laterally or can't jump or don't have the length to get a hand in on shots. IF we start with a couple of bigs that have some defensive acumen then the rest will be easier. Gallo and Chan actually aren't terrible defenders, they're pretty decent, but if you put two guys behind them that can stop people then you have a team that regardless of some extra special defensive approach, its gonna be a better team on D.

I've said this before but MDA does have a defensive approach and it's been at least effective in helping his teams in the past get wins and that's what matters more. Teams have had the no. 1 defense and still didn't win the title cuz there's more to the game than that. We want to have a balanced team and that's what I expect DW to put together.

As for the time when we were getting better results defensively, I think it was a good attempt at trying to cover up our weaknesses. The whole idea tho is not to have to rely on such things and as i've said you start with guys that want to defend by default. You put enough of those guys on a team and you won't have to push and prod them into defending. Also if you're best player is a defender like KG, then the rest of the guys will fall in line if he's barking at guys for not doing what the coach is asking.

TMS wrote:

Also if you're best player is a defender like KG, then the rest of the guys will fall in line if he's barking at guys for not doing what the coach is asking.

this is essentially the problem most people have w/D Lee... right now, he IS the best player on this team & he's our worst defender... & we all know this guy will never get into a teammate's face for missing any defensive assignments when he's usually the biggest culprit... if we get Lebron here along w/a shotblocking C & a scrappy defensive PG, then i don't think anyone would have a problem w/Lee on this roster, but that all hinges on a ton of outside factors out of our control... people would like to see our best player putting forth some kind of effort on the defensive side of the ball in the meantime... it's not much to ask.

You would think that at some point PRIDE would come into it. I know if it was me and I was basically the best player on the team, i'd be in someone's face for just letting guys waltz down the lane, but i'd also have to wack a few penetrators myself just to make a point. IF DLee actually gives himself up a bit more then I think he'd have the right to speak to others about not playing D. SOMEONE has to do it.

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:tell u right now, there's 1 guy on this team that takes pride in playing defense still left on this team, & that's Toney Douglas, & he's the 1 guy that can barely get any playing time.

I'll tell you right now, I like that kid. He's f'in fast as hell and can really change the pace of the game. Plays defense, and gets to the hole.

i agree... i don't even mind when he makes mental ****ups like he did on that last possession cuz at least i know he's giving it his all out there... a rookie is going to make mistakes but u have to love the effort he puts forth on both ends of the floor... why this kid hasn't been seeing regular burn since the beginning of the season is just inexplicable to me.