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BRIGGS
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3/7/2010  4:12 PM
The honest truth--a blind monkey throwing darts against a board with every remaining PG couldve picked better than the Knicks at 8. We have no luck.
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3/7/2010  4:21 PM
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3/7/2010  4:45 PM
Yeah, because we would have been as patient with him on our team as the sixers have been (his stats have been pretty bad most of the season). We treat all rookies in 1 of 2 ways:

a) Declare them a mega star, pump them full of unrealistic expectations after a few games, then when they don't live up to unrealistically high expectations declare them a bust all in less than a season.

b) Declare them a bust from draft day onwards, using summer league as the final proof.

Still, we've had some stinker point guards for a long time now. Please rank worst to best, the following:

Marbury
Howard Eisley
Chris Duhon
Chris Childs
Charlie Ward

Looking at that list I could weep! Ha- Charlie Ward now seems like a great point guard in comparison to the horrors that followed! Out of interest what do people think of Chris Childs now thinking back?

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3/7/2010  4:46 PM
We had him in twice, from what I can remember.

I thought that we would probably take him after Curry was chosen.

Still think that Hill needed a chance to show his stuff, but I was surprised when we picked him considering the fact that it was a guard heavy draft and we needed a guard.

The only thing you can say is that Walsh and the Knicks BB people saw everyone they had a chance of picking- and in the case of Holiday, they saw him more than once.

I wish we could have seen what they saw in their pre-draft workouts.

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3/7/2010  4:53 PM
Yeah, UCLA point guards are beginning to develop a reputation of looking better once they enter the pros. Ben Howland is a good coach — this season aside — and I think his player learn from him.
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3/7/2010  5:13 PM
I don't think it's about luck. It's about coaching, patience and good vet leadership. When I look around the league good players thrive under either good coaching or a good team environment, usually both, with a little patience thrown in. We have none of the above.
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3/7/2010  5:54 PM
WindsorPl wrote:I don't think it's about luck. It's about coaching, patience and good vet leadership. When I look around the league good players thrive under either good coaching or a good team environment, usually both, with a little patience thrown in. We have none of the above.

yup... doesn't matter who we would have taken w/that #8 pick... Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, take ur pick... they'd all have been wasting away on the end of the bench while MDA plays his "trusted vets" all year in the vain attempt at making a run at the #8 seed.

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3/7/2010  6:23 PM
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:I don't think it's about luck. It's about coaching, patience and good vet leadership. When I look around the league good players thrive under either good coaching or a good team environment, usually both, with a little patience thrown in. We have none of the above.

yup... doesn't matter who we would have taken w/that #8 pick... Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, take ur pick... they'd all have been wasting away on the end of the bench while MDA plays his "trusted vets" all year in the vain attempt at making a run at the #8 seed.

Doesnt matter who we drafted if Walsh would have traded them to get rid of Jefferies or Curry. If we had drafted Jennings we could have packaged him with Curry and I wouldn't put it past Walsh to not do it either.

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3/7/2010  6:26 PM
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:I don't think it's about luck. It's about coaching, patience and good vet leadership. When I look around the league good players thrive under either good coaching or a good team environment, usually both, with a little patience thrown in. We have none of the above.

yup... doesn't matter who we would have taken w/that #8 pick... Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, take ur pick... they'd all have been wasting away on the end of the bench while MDA plays his "trusted vets" all year in the vain attempt at making a run at the #8 seed.

Yeah I wonder if Trevor Ariza would have ever made any improvements to his game if he were still a Knick. David Lee and Nate, to a less extent, and become players. And that was after playing with Larry Brown for one year. Of course, Malik and Antonio Davis was on the team as well. Say what you want about Malik's game, but he seemed like a steady locker room guy. I'm not sure if Al Harington or Larry Hughes are capable of providing the same leadership. Duhon, well, he could give lesson on living off the luster of a mediocre college career and bagging chicks at the bar, but not much else.

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3/7/2010  6:29 PM
Why not play T D atleast 20 minutes the last 20 games then? 20 minutes or more? he is one of the guys under contract and one of the only guys who play D. I don't need to see Eddie House chuck up 34%--he should've been released.

This is the hard part about making the team--not only do we need good players but *specific players*.

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3/7/2010  6:41 PM
why not? there are no reasons why not... there is no making reason of MDA's roster & rotation decisions... why ask why at this point?
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3/7/2010  6:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Why not play T D atleast 20 minutes the last 20 games then? 20 minutes or more? he is one of the guys under contract and one of the only guys who play D. I don't need to see Eddie House chuck up 34%--he should've been released.

This is the hard part about making the team--not only do we need good players but *specific players*.


I agree. There is a character/maturity component that requires the player to be polished to the point where they do not need coaching. It has to be very hard to be the GM with this coach.
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3/7/2010  7:32 PM
TMS wrote:why not? there are no reasons why not... there is no making reason of MDA's roster & rotation decisions... why ask why at this point?

Nobody here knows the answer, that's for sure.

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3/7/2010  11:44 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
TMS wrote:why not? there are no reasons why not... there is no making reason of MDA's roster & rotation decisions... why ask why at this point?

Nobody here knows the answer, that's for sure.

We can ask these guys, they seem to know what they are doing.

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3/8/2010  8:34 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Why not play T D atleast 20 minutes the last 20 games then? 20 minutes or more? he is one of the guys under contract and one of the only guys who play D. I don't need to see Eddie House chuck up 34%--he should've been released.

This is the hard part about making the team--not only do we need good players but *specific players*.

Toney Douglas is here regardless because he's under contract. House is one of MDAs guys from Pho. I think the MO right now is to look at TMac what he does or doesnt have left in the tank. Walker is getting a lot of burn also, but they are clearly just playing out the string
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