BRIGGS wrote:He cant be brought back with the intention of being a starter. He's not reliable--if you want to win you need 5 guys who can play 80 games. I think Tmac is capable of playing 50. I think he could be brought back as a 15-20 min bench player/spot injury starter but nothing more.

Knick fans are nuts how many times are they going to bring in guys who are clear quitters and suspect clutch performers.

TheGame wrote:I will say this. T-Mac knows how to play basketball. He has a high basketball IQ, which is something this team has need for a long time. I would not mind singing him to a high one-year deal (if we don't get Lebron or Bosh). One year at $10-11 mil would be a good deal for him and for us. If he cannot stay healthy, we can trade him during the season or just let him walk. For him, he gets a nice fat paycheck at a sum higher than anyone else was going to pay him.

So the fact that he never plays a full season, hasn't won a single playoff series, and quits on his teams when things get tough is not apart of the equation on when deciding to sign him?

TheGame wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I will say this. T-Mac knows how to play basketball. He has a high basketball IQ, which is something this team has need for a long time. I would not mind singing him to a high one-year deal (if we don't get Lebron or Bosh). One year at $10-11 mil would be a good deal for him and for us. If he cannot stay healthy, we can trade him during the season or just let him walk. For him, he gets a nice fat paycheck at a sum higher than anyone else was going to pay him.

So the fact that he never plays a full season, hasn't won a single playoff series, and quits on his teams when things get tough is not apart of the equation on when deciding to sign him?

This team is not going to the playoffs next year whether we sign him or not. The fact that he never won a playoff series is not all on T-Mac and the issue about quitting is matter of subjective viewpoint. THe guy has won alot of games down the stretch for his teams too. I have given up the delusion that this team is going to be good anytime soon. Unless Lebron secretly has hates himself, there is no way he picks the Knicks over playing the Nets or some other team with more starting talent and Bosh is not coming to this mess without Lebron. So, if Walsh has any sense, he would save his cap money for 2011 and pass on overpaying for JJ3 (unless he could get JJ3 for like $12 mil per, then it might be a smart move). Who else are we going to get with T-Mac's talent that might be willing to take an inflated one-year deal? No one else is going to be willing to do that. So yeah, I would resign him, because despite his flaws, he is still the best player on this team right now.

Walsh/D'Antoni f-ed up so you throw good money after a ****ty investment to add to the pain. I agree with everything you are saying here but McGrady is done outside of few flashes the guy is not going to do anything for this franchise. There are other options T-Mac shouldn't be one of them after this season. Look the guy has been out for two seasons and still injured! You notice he's always seems to be sitting the 2nd half of games the Knicks are playing particularly poorly.

bitty41 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

TheGame wrote:I will say this. T-Mac knows how to play basketball. He has a high basketball IQ, which is something this team has need for a long time. I would not mind singing him to a high one-year deal (if we don't get Lebron or Bosh). One year at $10-11 mil would be a good deal for him and for us. If he cannot stay healthy, we can trade him during the season or just let him walk. For him, he gets a nice fat paycheck at a sum higher than anyone else was going to pay him.

So the fact that he never plays a full season, hasn't won a single playoff series, and quits on his teams when things get tough is not apart of the equation on when deciding to sign him?

This team is not going to the playoffs next year whether we sign him or not. The fact that he never won a playoff series is not all on T-Mac and the issue about quitting is matter of subjective viewpoint. THe guy has won alot of games down the stretch for his teams too. I have given up the delusion that this team is going to be good anytime soon. Unless Lebron secretly has hates himself, there is no way he picks the Knicks over playing the Nets or some other team with more starting talent and Bosh is not coming to this mess without Lebron. So, if Walsh has any sense, he would save his cap money for 2011 and pass on overpaying for JJ3 (unless he could get JJ3 for like $12 mil per, then it might be a smart move). Who else are we going to get with T-Mac's talent that might be willing to take an inflated one-year deal? No one else is going to be willing to do that. So yeah, I would resign him, because despite his flaws, he is still the best player on this team right now.

Walsh/D'Antoni f-ed up so you throw good money after a ****ty investment to add to the pain. I agree with everything you are saying here but McGrady is done outside of few flashes the guy is not going to do anything for this franchise. There are other options T-Mac shouldn't be one of them after this season. Look the guy has been out for two seasons and still injured! You notice he's always seems to be sitting the 2nd half of games the Knicks are playing particularly poorly.

Hey, if the Knicks decided to just go young and play Walker, Giddens, Chandler, Gallo, Sergio, (hopefully Lee), and who ever they can find to play center (hopefully Camby), and our two second round picks, then I am all for it. We will still lose about 55 games, but these young players would at least get good experience, and guys like Walker, Giddens, and Sergio may prove to be starter quality players. But that simply is not happening in NY. Dolan is going to want somebody signed. So, would your rather pay JJ3 a 5 yr max deal, or T-Mac a 1-year $10-$11 mil deal? I would rather pay McGrady and keep our cap flexibility until 2011. We gave up alot to get this cap flexibility. I don't want to give it up just to become the 8th seed. Now if you are of the view that T-Mac is done, then I understand. But I think with a summer of training, he can grind out 55-60 games and would be our best player in those games. i would give him a one-year deal to do that.

fishmike wrote:if the Knicks are going to have a good team next year they are going to have to roll the dice some. Getting a guy like Lebron would be nice, but I have said the chances are 10-20% he comes here. That chance alone is worth dumping good assets for cap space. BUT, if he or another studd (or two) dont come here were are going to have to roll the dice a bit. That means taking shots on guys like Tyrus Thomas or Joe Johnson and hope that Walsh can put the right mix together.

That goes for McGrady also. He is JUST coming off an injury and hasnt played for a year. There are going to be some very good looking days and some very poor ones. If the guy's surgery holds up he's a very good player to have.

Bitty the past is the past and those are 100% fair points and should be factored in. If the Knicks have some money left they should think about this guy, especially if its at a discount. A lot of guys with suspect history went on to thrive. Look at Rasheed Wallace in Detroit.

I cant say whether or not we should bring him back. There are a 1000 factors, starting with who else is on the team. If he's centerpiece god no. If he's coming back at a discount type rate you have to look at the talent level and the situation and consider that

Fish - I thought you wanted to give McGrady 5 years and $50MM?

Backing off that some?

Assuming we can get a better star, preferably young, to come here, then McGrady at perhas 3 years, $24mm - team option on year 3 please- would not be so bad.

His star has faded but he can be a nice role player.

Dice came back reliable with a reduced role.