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CrushAlot
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3/7/2010 2:58 AM

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I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.

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3/7/2010 12:07 PM

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AMEN!

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3/7/2010 12:24 PM

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I'm fairly certain if he had been hired to coach he'd be back in broadcasting right now

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3/7/2010 1:40 PM

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SupremeCommander wrote:I'm fairly certain if he had been hired to coach he'd be back in broadcasting right now

I'm fairly certain that your opinions have changed dramatically since you were calling me out on my criticism of D'Antoni about 3 weeks ago.

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3/7/2010 1:44 PM

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CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.

Yea this hiring even being a brand-new coach he couldn't have possibly been worse than what D'Antoni is doing right now at 6 mil a pop at that.

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3/7/2010 2:05 PM

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SupremeCommander wrote:I'm fairly certain if he had been hired to coach he'd be back in broadcasting right now
I'm fairly certain that your opinions have changed dramatically since you were calling me out on my criticism of D'Antoni about 3 weeks ago.
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Dramatically? Pfffffffft.

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3/7/2010 2:22 PM

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CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.
Yea this hiring even being a brand-new coach he couldn't have possibly been worse than what D'Antoni is doing right now at 6 mil a pop at that.

Let's remember how things started out. MDA had the team playing better than critics expected and that early burst allowed DW to move two big contracts and start us down this path. Who knows if M Jackson couldve had the team playing so well to start. Trading that much talent changed the rest of the season in terms of wins, but DW was happy to start his plan.

Let's remember that Mark would've had to also deal with DW trading away players to clear cap space. This was his underlying goal, more important than anything else. We don't know if Mark may have had this team in NJ Nets territory. It's impossible to know. DLee would still suck on D. Curry would still be fat and injured. Al would still be selfish. Maybe Hill n TD play more under Mark. More or fewer wins is hard to know.

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3/7/2010 3:32 PM LAST EDITED: 3/7/2010 3:33 PM

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bitty41 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.
Yea this hiring even being a brand-new coach he couldn't have possibly been worse than what D'Antoni is doing right now at 6 mil a pop at that.
Let's remember how things started out. MDA had the team playing better than critics expected and that early burst allowed DW to move two big contracts and start us down this path. Who knows if M Jackson couldve had the team playing so well to start. Trading that much talent changed the rest of the season in terms of wins, but DW was happy to start his plan.
Let's remember that Mark would've had to also deal with DW trading away players to clear cap space. This was his underlying goal, more important than anything else. We don't know if Mark may have had this team in NJ Nets territory. It's impossible to know. DLee would still suck on D. Curry would still be fat and injured. Al would still be selfish. Maybe Hill n TD play more under Mark. More or fewer wins is hard to know.

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I hate that run and gun style of basketball. It is not the knicks kind of ball that marks thier history. MDA will have to go. No defense and run down the court and just shoot the 3 ball.

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nixluva wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.
Yea this hiring even being a brand-new coach he couldn't have possibly been worse than what D'Antoni is doing right now at 6 mil a pop at that.
Let's remember how things started out. MDA had the team playing better than critics expected and that early burst allowed DW to move two big contracts and start us down this path. Who knows if M Jackson couldve had the team playing so well to start. Trading that much talent changed the rest of the season in terms of wins, but DW was happy to start his plan.
Let's remember that Mark would've had to also deal with DW trading away players to clear cap space. This was his underlying goal, more important than anything else. We don't know if Mark may have had this team in NJ Nets territory. It's impossible to know. DLee would still suck on D. Curry would still be fat and injured. Al would still be selfish. Maybe Hill n TD play more under Mark. More or fewer wins is hard to know.
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I hate that run and gun style of basketball. It is not the knicks kind of ball that marks thier history. MDA will have to go. No defense and run down the court and just shoot the 3 ball.

Yep - this bunch of youngsters and invalids should better play half-court and hack and vack everybody on defense.
This will be quite entertaining...

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3/7/2010 4:49 PM

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I have too much respect for Action Jackson to see him go through this mess. I've seen experienced guys like Don Chaney and Lenny Wilkins shave years off of their lives trying to coach this team. An inexperienced guy like Mark gotten eaten alive. The only reason

is lasting is because of his earlier success.

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3/7/2010 5:51 PM LAST EDITED: 3/7/2010 5:53 PM

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i have no idea how Jax would have done since he has no coaching track record, but as we've seen track records don't mean too much when you're walking into this type of dysfunction... would have preferred Avery Johnson personally cuz the guy was a competitor & i know for damn sure he wouldn't stand for anyone lapsing on the defensive end no matter who it was... this guy never played favorites & commanded respect from all his players... one of the few head coaches who managed to beat Greg Popovich's Spurs in the playoffs, & he did this on the road no less... also beat MDA's Suns in a short series... Coach of the Year, fastest coach to 150 wins, back to back 60+ win seasons... one little tough sumbitch he is... he's been compared to a little Pat Riley & i think would have fit the personality of this city & this team's history perfectly... i'd have loved to see him try & mold Nate into what he was in his playing days.

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3/7/2010 5:53 PM

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MDA's legacy as coach of the Knicks is still a work in progress, as is Walsh's stint as the Knicks' decision maker.

We have had no PG and no real center during the 2 years MDA has coached this team. Even with our recent acquisitions, which have made our PG position more productive, we have no interior defensive strength with Lee and Harrington defending down low. We are playing a zone because MDA is trying to adjust to the fact that we are defensively weak in the paint. Lee can be criticized for some of our problems down low, but he is playing out of position, and it is not realistic to think that he can be a defensive force down low. We don't have a natural center who can defend at the position on this team, or even someone who can put up 2 blocks/game. (Don't want to get into the MDA/Darko situation and why it did not work out at all.)

If Donnie succeeds in getting MDA some stars for next year, then the ball is in D'Antoni's hands, and if he does not produce, you will be able to hammer him as much as you want with justification. As for me- I'm still giving him a pass for now. The same is true for Walsh, who had to dig us out of the hole Isiah put us in.

As for Jackson- who know who we would have picked or if he would have produced as coach. I like him, but what has he done in the area of coaching?

As for Lopez- if Lopez is as good as you think, we might not have been in position to choose Jennings...right? You can't believe that Lopez is a game changer and think our record would have gotten us a #8. You can't assume that we would have had a record that would have allowed us to pick Jennings...right?

As for Jennings- the jury is still out on this kid. He has shown promise, but he is no lock to be a consistent PG in the NBA (I wonder how patient guys around here would be with his shooting and defensive weaknesses that would have been magnified without the shot blocker and other defensive players the Bucks have. He is also blessed with a true center, an excellent backup PG, and a newly revived SG (Salmons).

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If Mark Jackson had been hired coach in 08, we'd have comprehensive health care reform with a viable public option by now.

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3/7/2010 8:10 PM LAST EDITED: 3/7/2010 8:12 PM

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CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.

This is what I'm talking about Crushalot. How soon knicks fan detatch themselves from guys who wore the orange and blue who would love to get knicks basketball back on the map.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.

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CrushAlot wrote:I think Lopez and Jennings would be Knicks. I think the Jamaal Tinsley would be a Knick. I think Jackson would have been so connected with his team after training camp that he would have convinced Walsh not to trade either Crawford or Zach. I loved Mark as a player and he has tremendous character. Jax is also an amazing community guy. He was very mature at a young age and always gave back to the community. The Knick organization needs to embrace their history instead of chasing gimmicky big name guys.

So after drafting a "franchise" center to go along with Zach and Crawford Jax would have guided us to the same number of wins in order to be in the position to draft Brandon Jennings. Gotcha.

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We have been through coaches and coaches what makes anyone think the Mark Jackson would have succeeded, when HOF coaches, veteran coaches couldn't get crap out of the team. Simply said the Knicks do not have the talent to make any coach a winner. Phil Jackson could come here and the results would be the same. There is not a coach out there that can win with the Knicks at this point in time.

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no coach can win with this current roster, it's true... but i don't think it's fair to assume that a different coach wouldn't have made different decisions regarding the use of the players we had 2 years ago... perhaps a different mindset would be prevalent now, a different roster in place, different players seeing playing time... perhaps a youthful core would be getting featured rather than useless journeymen vets who had no future on this team beyond the expiration of their contracts... maybe things wouldn't have been better, but maybe we'd have seen a different approach being taken & a different style of play... all i know is, seeing this team play no defense & launching up 3's everytime they touch the basketball is not a system we should be playing right now.

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If Mark Jackson was hired as coach, we would have been in this same position and you would've created a "If Mike D'antoni was hired as coach in 08" thread.

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JrZyHuStLa wrote:If Mark Jackson was hired as coach, we would have been in this same position and you would've created a "If Mike D'antoni was hired as coach in 08" thread.

I would like to think Jax would have more success. In my opinion he has alot more character. The nice thing about this thread is you can look back and see what was being said at the time D'Antoni was hired. I am a huge Jax fan for more reasons than his time as a Knicks player so I would never start a thread like that. I did do alot of Isiah bashing and I was excited when he was hired as gm.