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sidsanders
Posts: 22541 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/17/2009 Member: #2426 |
3/7/2010 12:58 AM
i dont think all folks expect the coach to get smoked. given a 2 year run with no goals or expectations (on the coaches) is reality where though? the goal by the FO may have been to clear space, fine. the goal for the coach was to do what then? sit around and get a pay check? why cant fans expect the guy to try even if its not the ideal roster? the main issue remains for me: why are the young guys given zero meaningful time and the 2 that do get time, dont seem to be getting that much better.
this is either a mass screw up by the FO, the coaches, or both. if the young guys stink, who wanted them? if they are good, and are stagnating, why? i can accept the 2 year window to get to 2010... i cant accept giving a pass to the FO/coaches while they could have been doing some meaningful work to eval/help/etc whats going to be here in 2010 (baring further trades). GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/7/2010 1:03 AM LAST EDITED: 3/7/2010 1:04 AM
sidsanders wrote:i dont think all folks expect the coach to get smoked. given a 2 year run with no goals or expectations (on the coaches) is reality where though? the goal by the FO may have been to clear space, fine. the goal for the coach was to do what then? sit around and get a pay check? why cant fans expect the guy to try even if its not the ideal roster? the main issue remains for me: why are the young guys given zero meaningful time and the 2 that do get time, dont seem to be getting that much better. word... i was willing to be patient if i saw him developing the rooks this year like he said he would, or at least making an effort to coach this team in the meantime... doesn't seem like he's doing either to me... i can't stand watching a team that you know has given up on the season already... i'd rather play end of the bench scrubs every night than guys that have already mailed it in this year... & IMO most Knicks fans would be happy to see guys like Toney Douglas & Bill Walker featured in this offense for the rest of the season than guys like Eddie House & Al Harrington launching up shots at will. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Childs2Dudley
Posts: 23906 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 1/25/2010 Member: #3051 USA |
3/7/2010 1:05 AM
TMS wrote:sidsanders wrote:i dont think all folks expect the coach to get smoked. given a 2 year run with no goals or expectations (on the coaches) is reality where though? the goal by the FO may have been to clear space, fine. the goal for the coach was to do what then? sit around and get a pay check? why cant fans expect the guy to try even if its not the ideal roster? the main issue remains for me: why are the young guys given zero meaningful time and the 2 that do get time, dont seem to be getting that much better. I would say all of us would. Watching this awful team is bad enough but then we have to watch guys who wont be here jack up shots while our young guys who WILL be here rot on the bench or stand around on the court watching the others chuck. I hate it. "Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/7/2010 1:08 AM
Really Nix?, MDA is the one being subjected to two tough years at 4 mil per...
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WindsorPl
Posts: 20413 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2009 Member: #2799 USA |
3/7/2010 1:11 AM
holfresh wrote:Really Nix?, MDA is the one being subjected to two tough years at 4mil per... It's actually 6 per. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/7/2010 1:14 AM
nixluva wrote:After the cent of blood. As usual at the end of another dreadful Knick season we get the predictable chorus of fans who IMO lack understanding or any frame of reference from history. Then you also have the rabid NY Media writing stories that clearly have the intent of seeing if they can cause the fans to turn on the coach & powers that be to consider firing the coach. Coaches are hired to be fired, but in the case of this team, it seems that we keep getting it wrong. The coaches we've had haven't been the source of the problem. It's been poorly conceived rosters that lack a Lead player.If you are going to reference history and defend D'Antoni in the same post you are in trouble. Historically teams that employ a run and gun style without playing defense do not win championships. Two of the coaches who have employed this style, D'Antoni and Doug Moe have been awarded coach of the year awards and have even had some success in the playoffs. That being said historically the style of coaching that the Knicks coach is using does not result in championships. During the course of the last two 'throw away' seasons D'Antoni has proven to be not just a gimmicky coach but a coach with alot of flaws. Communication issues, game time adjustments, self created drama, devaluing team assets,and preventing the acquisition of talent because of unreasonable character/maturity requirements have all impacted this team in a negative way. Walsh is definitely behind D'Antoni and got rid of guys that he was having trouble with despite their expiring contracts. He also drafted Gallo because he fit D'Antoni's system despite the fact that a franchise center was available. D'Antoni is not working out. Walsh has alot invested in him being successful. He has defended and protected D'Antoni,drafted his guys, and traded away the guys that he struggled to commmunicate with except for Al. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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sidsanders
Posts: 22541 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/17/2009 Member: #2426 |
3/7/2010 1:14 AM
TMS wrote:sidsanders wrote:i dont think all folks expect the coach to get smoked. given a 2 year run with no goals or expectations (on the coaches) is reality where though? the goal by the FO may have been to clear space, fine. the goal for the coach was to do what then? sit around and get a pay check? why cant fans expect the guy to try even if its not the ideal roster? the main issue remains for me: why are the young guys given zero meaningful time and the 2 that do get time, dont seem to be getting that much better. the nets were getting pooped on this game... the fact they are having an all time dreadful season didnt allow them to quit. maybe they just have players with better mental makeup... i dont understand why its unreasonable to expect some effort for the past 2 years from all parties involved, players included. GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/7/2010 1:24 AM
WindsorPl wrote:holfresh wrote:Really Nix?, MDA is the one being subjected to two tough years at 4mil per... Really..what a joke... |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/7/2010 1:25 AM
holfresh wrote:Really Nix?, MDA is the one being subjected to two tough years at 4 mil per... Of course we've had the worst of it, but most coaches would find it tough to deal with being slammed by the media and fans for losing, even tho the team has a ton of lame duck players with no incentive to play hard cuz they know this is it. The GM basically has said you're not gonna bet any help cuz we have to hold the line until 2010. No better players that could make your job easier until after the 2 yrs are over. I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for MDA, cuz that's silly. I'm just saying that the anger is misplaced and the expectation seems to be that the coach is all powerful and should be able to make players that don't care suddenly care. The coach is supposed to make it all work and tho that's the expectation it's not reality. It's always about the players 1st and then the coach is there to bring direction, order and hopefully extend the winning beyond what should be expected given the talent. The thing is that there is a point at which the Coach simply can't overcome the weaknesses of a roster. They say the great coaches can add up to 10 extra wins on top of what a good team would get with a mediocre coach. |
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WindsorPl
Posts: 20413 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2009 Member: #2799 USA |
3/7/2010 1:29 AM
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:After the cent of blood. As usual at the end of another dreadful Knick season we get the predictable chorus of fans who IMO lack understanding or any frame of reference from history. Then you also have the rabid NY Media writing stories that clearly have the intent of seeing if they can cause the fans to turn on the coach & powers that be to consider firing the coach. Coaches are hired to be fired, but in the case of this team, it seems that we keep getting it wrong. The coaches we've had haven't been the source of the problem. It's been poorly conceived rosters that lack a Lead player.If you are going to reference history and defend D'Antoni in the same post you are in trouble. Historically teams that employ a run and gun style without playing defense do not win championships. Two of the coaches who have employed this style, D'Antoni and Doug Moe have been awarded coach of the year awards and have even had some success in the playoffs. That being said historically the style of coaching that the Knicks coach is using does not result in championships. A lof of fans were supporting the hiring because of the style and the hopes that he could make the Knicks as exciting as the suns and the lure of the olympic team pedigree. Last season was a waste and was blamed on the players, but this season who do you blame it on? To add to CrushAlot list He said he needed size inside, Walsh went and got him Darko. 8 games in, he was riding the bench. Walsh bought a late round pick and got Douglas, He hardly plays. He did not develop or played Hill. There is no accountability on this team, the inmates run the asylum. |
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/7/2010 1:32 AM
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Really Nix?, MDA is the one being subjected to two tough years at 4 mil per... Well he failed there too... |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/7/2010 1:37 AM
1979–80 Fitch, BillBill Fitch[a] United States Boston Celtics 61–21
1980–81 McKinney, JackJack McKinney United States Indiana Pacers 44–38 1981–82 Shue, GeneGene Shue United States Washington Bullets 43–39 1982–83 Nelson, DonDon Nelson^[a] United States Milwaukee Bucks 51–31 1983–84 Layden, FrankFrank Layden United States Utah Jazz 45–37 1984–85 Nelson, DonDon Nelson^[a] United States Milwaukee Bucks 59–23 1985–86 Fratello, MikeMike Fratello United States Atlanta Hawks 50–32 1986–87 Schuler, MikeMike Schuler United States Portland Trail Blazers 49–33 1987–88 Moe, DougDoug Moe United States Denver Nuggets 54–28 1988–89 Fitzsimmons, CottonCotton Fitzsimmons United States Phoenix Suns 55–27 1989–90 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] United States Los Angeles Lakers 63–19 1990–91 Chaney, DonDon Chaney United States Houston Rockets 52–30 1991–92 Nelson, DonDon Nelson^[a] United States Golden State Warriors 55–27 1992–93 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] United States New York Knicks 60–22 1993–94 Wilkens, LennyLenny Wilkens*[a] United States Atlanta Hawks 57–25 1994–95 Harris, DelDel Harris United States Los Angeles Lakers 48–34 1995–96 Jackson, PhilPhil Jackson*^[a] United States Chicago Bulls 72–10 1996–97 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] United States Miami Heat 61–21 1997–98 Bird, LarryLarry Bird United States Indiana Pacers 58–24 1998–99 Dunleavy, MikeMike Dunleavy^ United States Portland Trail Blazers 35–15 1999–00 Rivers, DocDoc Rivers^ United States Orlando Magic 41–41 2000–01 Brown, LarryLarry Brown*^ United States Philadelphia 76ers 56–26 2001–02 Carlisle, RickRick Carlisle^ United States Detroit Pistons 50–32 2002–03 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich^ United States San Antonio Spurs 60–22 2003–04 Brown, HubieHubie Brown United States Memphis Grizzlies 50–32 2004–05 D'Antoni, MikeMike D'Antoni^ United States[b] Phoenix Suns 62–20 2005–06 Johnson, AveryAvery Johnson United States Dallas Mavericks 60–22 2006–07 Mitchell, SamSam Mitchell United States Toronto Raptors 47–35 2007–08 Scott, ByronByron Scott United States New Orleans Hornets 56–26 2008–09 Brown, MikeMike Brown^ United States Cleveland Cavaliers 66–16 That is the coach of the year list going back to 79. There are alot of guys on that list who benefitted from their roster and the situation they were in and they were never able to achieve that success again. The Knicks have one of those guys. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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sidsanders
Posts: 22541 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/17/2009 Member: #2426 |
3/7/2010 1:45 AM
hahahahah... the last several coaches in that list have all been smoked. and mike brown i think is awful. dude looked lost in the playoffs..
GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/7/2010 1:47 AM
nixluva wrote:most coaches would find it tough to deal with being slammed by the media and fans for losing, even tho the team has a ton of lame duck players with no incentive to play hard cuz they know this is it. The GM basically has said you're not gonna bet any help cuz we have to hold the line until 2010. No better players that could make your job easier until after the 2 yrs are over. i think MDA was well aware of what he was walking into when he took the job... or he should have been... this is a lot different than Phoenix... fans don't put up with any BS you shell out & turn a blind eye in NY... they demand accountability from the players, the management & the coaches... it comes with the territory... some coaches & players are cut out for being a success in NY, some aren't... if MDA can't deal w/the criticism then he wouldn't be the first coach who fell to the pressure. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/7/2010 1:49 AM
sidsanders wrote:hahahahah... the last several coaches in that list have all been smoked. and mike brown i think is awful. dude looked lost in the playoffs.. that's classic After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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