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misterearl
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2/28/2010  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2010  1:26 PM
The Knicks have had talent walk through their revolving door. For every transition in front office leadership - there is the constant of conflicting vision of how the Knicks franchise should be composed - and the time frame to do it. The more things change - the more they remain the same.

For all his warts, Isiah Thomas mined some raw gems in Wilson Chandler, Nate Robinson and David Lee. A few of his "failures" - Trevor Ariza, Matt Carroll, Ime Udoka and Matt Barnes Mardy Collins, - have proven to be serviceable for other teams. The dissonance between General Manager and Head Coach - another constant that dates back to the days of Holzman and Eddie Donovan not always being on the same page

Last night's hero, Zach Randolph reminded me of Willis Reed when he was here and he reminds me of Willis now. 6'9 rugged and relentless. Donnie and (hopefully D'Antoni) have a shared vision. But with the benefit of hindsight, one cannot help but wonder how David Lee and Zach Randolph would have bonded without forcing Eddy Curry into the mix. Of course, that requires some bending of the Way Back Machine rules, but this is just a bunch of pixels on a screen and one opinion will never influence an NBA franchise.

But the point remains, the Knicks issue is not talent.

The issue is leadership making impossible decisions and getting it right more than it messes up a good thing. The Knicks issue is front office turnover, which leads to inevitable player turnover as each regime has an opinion. Isiah wacked all of Laydens's guys and soon Walsh will have wacked all of Isiah's guys. When does it stop?

A Decade Later, Perfect World, Shift Du Jour

President of Basketball Operations - Cazzie Russell, a link to the past
Executive Director of Scouting - Isiah Thomas, major props for talent evaluation
General Manager - Ernie Grunfeld, credit for Camby deal
Head Coach - Don Chaney, best coach of the past decade

Andre Miller - Grunfeld overrules VanGundy on blocking his acquisition
Ariza - Larry Brown never runs him out of town, nor does he waste a season imposing arbitrary guidelines
Chandler - thank you Isiah
Lee - thank you Isiah
Randolph - Mister double double

Danilo Gallinari - as sixth man
Matt Carroll - somehow a roster spot was found
Marcus Camby - the media training thing is swept under the rug, length in the middle

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2/28/2010  1:26 PM
misterearl wrote:
<<Head Coach - Don Chaney, best coach of the past decade
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Others ok
But Don Chaney ? I dont know about that best coach of past decade
You may know him but he doesnt have nba job and since and before the Knicks he isnt historically going to be known for
anything besides a coach assistant.

Best coach ? Uh uh no

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2/28/2010  1:27 PM
misterearl wrote:
But the point remains, the Knicks issue is not talent.

I think the Knicks issue is just that.

They lack talent.

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2/28/2010  1:28 PM
The best Knick coach of the past decade was Lenny Wilkins. He was .500.

oohah

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2/28/2010  1:32 PM
oohah wrote:The best Knick coach of the past decade was Lenny Wilkins. He was .500.

oohah


Good one, agreed!

Throw in JVG too
If JVG had this same lame team Knicks would have 4 - 8 more wins easily cause he won't accept
no defense stance of current Knick players

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2/28/2010  1:40 PM
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2/28/2010  1:42 PM
I think Lenny Wilkins was the best coach this past decade does anyone remember that terrible team he had?
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2/28/2010  2:00 PM
bitty41 wrote:I think Lenny Wilkins was the best coach this past decade does anyone remember that terrible team he had?

Wilkins was a good coach. I think he suffered from the TOny Dungy persona of people thinking he was too laid back and not jumping up and down, but he was a solid coach.

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2/28/2010  2:12 PM
TheGame wrote:
bitty41 wrote:I think Lenny Wilkins was the best coach this past decade does anyone remember that terrible team he had?

Wilkins was a good coach. I think he suffered from the TOny Dungy persona of people thinking he was too laid back and not jumping up and down, but he was a solid coach.


Wilkins wasnt kept too long here cause of Culprit DOLAN
I recall Lenny mom getting sick while NY was losing but Len got us to last playoffs.

However, Chaney is one of them people DOLAN Loved
though he was great.

See another issue with club is Mr Dolan whom has ruined team last 4-7 yrs prior to hiring MDA and Walsh.

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2/28/2010  3:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2010  3:13 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:
oohah wrote:The best Knick coach of the past decade was Lenny Wilkins. He was .500.

oohah


Good one, agreed!

Throw in JVG too
If JVG had this same lame team Knicks would have 4 - 8 more wins easily cause he won't accept
no defense stance of current Knick players

Jeff would have left soon and would have not finished out the season. Oppossing coaches figured him out.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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2/28/2010  4:09 PM
DJMusic - I totally slept Lenny Wilkens. The Answer Man stands corrected.

Some Knicks history. Note the recent length for Team Presidents. Except for Mike Burke, they all average 4 years, or less.

Owners
Gulf+Western: 1977–1994
As Paramount Communications: 1989–1994
Viacom: 1994
ITT Corporation and Cablevision: 1994–1997
Cablevision: 1997–


Team Presidents
Mike Burke: 1974–1982
John Krumpe: 1982–1986
Richard Evans: 1986–1991
Dave Checketts: 1991–1996
Ernie Grunfeld: 1996–1999
Dave Checketts: 1999–2001
Scott Layden: 2001–2004
Isiah Thomas: 2004–2008
Donnie Walsh: 2008–Present


General Managers
Eddie Donovan: 1965–1970
Red Holzman: 1970–1973
Eddie Donovan: 1973–1982
Dave DeBusschere: 1982–1985
Scotty Stirling: 1985–1987
Al Bianchi: 1987–1991
Dave Checketts: 1991–1993
Ernie Grunfeld: 1993–1999
Scott Layden: 1999–2004
Isiah Thomas: 2004–2008
Donnie Walsh: 2008–Present

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2/28/2010  7:35 PM
JVG in 1999 to 2001 was the best. After that it was Lenny, although Don Chaney did a great job in 2002-2003.
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2/28/2010  7:53 PM
This team need luck... A lot of luck.
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3/2/2010  7:32 AM
5

There is no luck in basketball. You either have skill, trust and cohesion or you do not.

For all the fuss over Lebron James in the press, basketball heads know the Knicks must decide on all five position moving forward. They are, in effect, starting from scratch this Summer.

Donnie Walsh understood on day one it was a five year process and so should we, if we are as smart as we claim to be. This is the end of year two. While it would be sweet to catch two free agents and the other pieces fall into place like a rubix cube in the hands of a prodigy... that ain;t gonna happen.

No matter who the new Knicks are in November, there will be an adjustment period that will last until February. That is just the way it is. Teams that cohere by March are the ones who make the playoffs. The rest head for the lottery pool.

Forget Lebron. Forget Bosh. Forget Wade.

There is much work to be done.

One FA signing won't get it.

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3/2/2010  8:09 AM
The Trade Deadline

Every year the same thing happens. The media speculation and thirst for deals is off the charts. Players are uncertain. Their loyalty is reduced to less than zero as the rumors saturate the news. Trade checker spins out games and briggs spins the roulette wheel every 20 minutes. The deadline passes. The players who remain in New York may breathe a sigh of relief for not enduring the aggravation of moving, but they feel less connected to the franchise. It is empty.

The guys who we want to embrace never really buy into a feeling of loyalty from management which is always in flux. They rent.

There is a struggle to establish team commitment or longevity.

Forget talent for a minute. Talent alone does not make a franchise a winner. The Atlanta Hawks and LA Clippers have had the best access to talent over the last decade. Over a DECADE. What have they done?

Continuity

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Continuity - The Don Chaney Chronicles

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