Also probably a moot point because the Grizzlies would be crazy to let him go. They lucked into him big-time.

oohah

djsunyc wrote:will d'antoni be the coach in 2011?

I hope not.

oohah

Paladin55 wrote:The do have a "history" of letting Gasols go, though.

Funny thing is I think Gasols actually like Memphis. Lil' Gasol went to high-school there and they have another brother going to school there too to my understanding.

I have a good friend who moved to Memphis for work and he is desperate to leave. He says it is dangerous and...let's just say he has nothing good to say about Memphis.

oohah

loweyecue wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I would love if he was a FA this year but he's not. The question is does MDA even like players like Gasol? I mean he's a 20-10-4-2 player here imho and he will be in his prime.

How many threads have you started suggesting people that YOU think is a good fit for MDA's system? And then proceeded to question whether MDA would take them? MDA's system? Really? Or your system? You come here and bash MDA and make it sound like you can pick players for his system better than he can? Are you on drugs dude? I used to like your posts, keyword "used to". You constantly bash MDA for his system, then you bash him for players YOU want that YOU think will fit the SAME system. There is something wrong with this approach, don't you think?

Here is the exact reason. Going back to 2008--I kind of had a good sense of who we should've taken--THAN we hired MDA and everything honestly changed. We had to find players who would play for HIS system--which is becoming more and more annoying. To be honest I really dont want to watch Eddie House throw up 15 shots and hope that Al Harrington is going to be hot--thats pretty much MDa's system. If you want to argue--read this post because after he was hired I wrote another one that we would never take this players anyway and I proceeded to look for guys that would suit him--and quite frankly it's ridiculous.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26248

This is a VERY good player and I will tell you right now the Knicks WILL NOT pass on Brook Lopez--doesn't matter who is in charge if Beasley and Rose are gone and we have pick 3. Lopez will be pick 3 in the NBA draft.

DJMUSIC wrote:MDA aint interested in folks whom can play the post, play nasty and slow down effort game like a Gasol OR Z-Bo
these guys wont fit his system though Griz is winning.

I dont agree with it but MDA is lacking on other parts of players which can help an offense and defense.
MDA is used to what he does, speed to make up for size, 3 point shots and ability to outshoot the other team.

The basics of passing and defense dont come into scope for MDAntoni which is what Gasol and Z-bo does.

You have to try to find a fantasy player who is 6-7 and can do what Shawn Marion did. It's one reason why I suggest to keep an eye on Tyrus Thomas over the next 25 games--I don't know. I think that it's confusing.

BRIGGS wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:MDA aint interested in folks whom can play the post, play nasty and slow down effort game like a Gasol OR Z-Bo
these guys wont fit his system though Griz is winning.

I dont agree with it but MDA is lacking on other parts of players which can help an offense and defense.
MDA is used to what he does, speed to make up for size, 3 point shots and ability to outshoot the other team.

The basics of passing and defense dont come into scope for MDAntoni which is what Gasol and Z-bo does.

You have to try to find a fantasy player who is 6-7 and can do what Shawn Marion did. It's one reason why I suggest to keep an eye on Tyrus Thomas over the next 25 games--I don't know. I think that it's confusing.

Sure some of those players are not out there. NBA is a cycle
But listen the league and play of better team is going back to what I mentioned.

Early teams of Spurs, even the Rockets before (two titles) had those nasty players to go along with their Stars and team play.
Same when Pistons of LBrown was successful a few seasons.

Look at the Celtics and Lakers now. When Celts played and won the title few seasons ago, Mr Garnett was already a nasty type
player. I liked him as a Wolve and disliked him as Celtic KG got meaner as well as their other players (See K.Perkins)

Once Pao Gasol with Grizzlies was looked as soft player. Look at him now he's a nasty -MF son of a gun. Kobe is already nasty
and chippy.

The Mavericks now have that with Guys like S.Marion and now Caron Butler, I dont even like them. Allstar Dirk was nasty and
chippy already. They have a good shot to contend with Nuggets and Lakers, to detrone LA even though I feel it wont happen.
Nuggest KMart is getting back to form he was in NJ and PG Billups is already playing with edge.

I feel MDA is doing same things with SUN Team here with NY. Of course we give him 2-3 yrs of the mess Zeke created in the roster
However I wont give him a full pass yet and next season is MDAntoni swan song year. I do not know his concept and feel of those
type of players we cited here.

I dont see either M.Gasol or Z-Bo flashy enough to be on a Knick team if D'Antoni has to give his blessings. At Phoenix he tried
to double talk all stuf that Shaq worked out fine when he didnt. Shaq 2nd yr in Phoenix was better when he played and all Shaq did
was try to blend in which Steve Nash gave Shaq credit for. MDA got out of a burning house in Phoenix. Amare needed to be in the
mix and it came out he didnt get along smoothly with MDA when Amare was healthy. What does that tell us ?

Amare still needs to show up but is capable of being one of them nasty players but it aint what MDA teaches.
We all know what I am talking about on this forum board.

In closing when Shaq went to blend in with HEAT Dwayne wade team, HEAT got all the edge they needed especially since ZO mourning
was already playing nasty as a role player helping Wade, Shaq and Heat win nba title.

You need a balance of everything to win in this league. Stars/Allstars, Centers, forwards, shooters, PG play and 1-2 folks with
a nasty disposition to get job done. ITs as simple as that.

JohnWallace44 wrote:Briggs, its time to reel it back in buddy. You know very well what type of center works in this system and Marc Gasol is basically the antithesis of that.

Here are the criteria for a center in this system:
#1 - needs to be able to run and dribble on the run
#2 - needs to operate well in the pick and roll
#3 - needs to be able to shoot from 15' and out
#4 - needs to be a good help defender that can defend 4's and 5's

Players that fit that most of those attributes are Ty Thomas, Greg Monroe, Amare, Deandre Jordan, McGee, Blatche, Villanueva, Biedrins, BJ Mullins... ie, not Marc Gasol.

out of that list, Ty Thomas, Amare, Blatche, Biedrins & Villanueva are the only players that would ever get any playing time in an MDA system... & not to be nitpicky but Amare & Villanueva are not really good help defenders, & Mullins hasn't shown much of anything other than that he can hit a midrange J & finish... forget about any rooks getting playing time either, so take Monroe off your list.

as for Gasol, i think he's too lumbering & slow to interest MDA all that much... even tho he's a very good young player he'd fit a half court style game & MDA wants to push the tempo once he gets the players he's looking for.

CrushAlot wrote:Here is Nate McMillan on D'Antoni and big men.

"He does not like big men," Portland Trail Blazers head coach Nate McMillan told HOOPSWORLD.

"He thinks they slow the game down."

Read more: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7757#ixzz0gshfqFc5

oohah wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:The do have a "history" of letting Gasols go, though.

Funny thing is I think Gasols actually like Memphis. Lil' Gasol went to high-school there and they have another brother going to school there too to my understanding.

I have a good friend who moved to Memphis for work and he is desperate to leave. He says it is dangerous and...let's just say he has nothing good to say about Memphis.

oohah

Is you friend getting a couple of millions in contract money?
This will make his life in Memphis very safe...