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babyKnicks
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2/27/2010  1:56 PM
If the Knicks are unable to sign Lebron, Wade or Bosh, could fans get comfortable with the idea of a roster dominated by the clients of superagent Arn Tellem? And if Lebron is unobtainable, would fans be happy rooting for a team assembled around a core with Joe Johnson at its center, but also including veterans like McGrady, Jermaine O’Neal and perhaps Mike Miller?

It’s something to start considering because I think this could very well be the outcome of summer 2010. And it may have been Donnie Walsh’s “plan A” all along.

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2/27/2010  1:58 PM
Joe Johnson, with T-Mac and Jermaine O'neal ?

I'll burn the Garden down to smithereens.

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2/27/2010  2:53 PM
Assuming no bosh, lebron and Wade. Other option:
tmac, miller and lee
with Sergio,gallo and Chandler.

Not bad.

Though. I'd like Ray Allan.

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2/27/2010  3:24 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Joe Johnson, with T-Mac and Jermaine O'neal ?

I'll burn the Garden down to smithereens.

o ya... building around a core of broken down older guys had better not be plan a... maybe plan z^199. no way they should tie up max deals or any type of long term contracts for any of these 3.

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2/27/2010  4:04 PM
Joe Johnson... no.
Jermaine... no way (too old, though maybe for one year, TO on second)
Miller... no.

Next, please.

If we fail to land Lebron, it's possible we will sign Lee and Sergio, and grab TMac for a year if no other suitors. But in my mind, if we whiff in 2010, the plan shifts to the 2011 plan (i.e., Melo et al). This is based on the standpoint that we are "all in" here re: building around a star. We have traded away too many picks to be in the running for a rebuild through the draft. This is it, folks.

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2/27/2010  4:15 PM
I'd be okay with that as an interim solution. By no means is that a final roster, but making the playoffs would be nice

2010: The Arn Tellem All-Stars?
Feb 27th, 2010
by Jon.

A few weeks ago in this space I debated the merits of Joe Johnson and asked, if the Knicks missed out on the big three free agents, whether or not fans could get comfortable with the concept of Johnson as the centerpiece of the Knicks’ summer. The answers were decidedly mixed.

But after witnessing what went on at the trade deadline last week I’ve realized that, while I was likely focusing on the right player as the centerpiece of the Knicks’ plan B (or perhaps even plan A – more on that below) I may have been asking the wrong question.

The Knicks paid a steep price to acquire Tracy McGrady and Sergio Rodriguez at last Thursday’s trade deadline, but even that exorbitant outlay might not have been enough had superagent Arn Tellem not imposed his considerable will and influence on the process. The Rockets and Kings had a trade in place that worked under the cap and didn’t force Houston to absorb any long-term contracts beyond Kevin Martin’s, but it didn’t include the Knicks. Yet Tellem, of Wasserman Media Group, had already decided that T-Mac was going to be a Knick and that was all there was to it. And so, lo and behold, the Knicks were brought back into the deal and T-Mac landed in New York (along with fellow Wasserman client Sergio Rodriguez, who was previously destined for Houston but Tellem had re-routed to NYC instead).

On the surface it would seem odd that Tellem was so adamant that McGrady end up with the Knicks. The team has been the dictionary definition of dysfunction for years and this season really hasn’t been all that different from the past 7 or 8. But Donnie Walsh is something of a godfather to many NBA types, Arn Tellem (and David Stern) included. When Tellem needs advice, he calls Donnie. And so it seems when Tellem needed to provide his marquee client with a soft landing, he called his godfather.

And this isn’t just a one time thing. Danilo Gallinari is a Tellem client, as is the player the Knicks really wanted in the 2008 draft, Russell Westbrook, and the player they would have selected if Gallo was off the board, DJ Augustin. Prior to the 2009 draft, Walsh was often said to be highest on Tyreke Evans, another Tellem client. And during this season, when the aforementioned Augustin struggled with his role with the Bobcats and was rumored to be on the trading block, the Knicks were frequently mentioned as a likely destination for the second year guard.

Even more tellingly, prior to his tenure with the Knicks, Walsh always employed Tellem clients as centerpieces of his Pacers teams, from Reggie Miller to Mark Jackson to Jalen Rose to Jermaine O’Neal to Mike Dunleavy Jr. The two have a long history of building title contenders together.

As it stands the Knicks presently have three Wasserman clients on the roster: Gallinari, and now McGrady and Rodriguez. But after this summer that number could go up dramatically. Which brings me back around to the point of this post.

I think it goes without saying that the Knicks’ dream scenario would be for Lebron James to sign on the dotted line and bring along with him whoever it was that he wanted to play with for the next few years. But even if that’s the dream scenario, it might not be “plan A”, so to speak. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to discover that, though he hoped, Walsh never really thought he could recruit any one of the big three to play in New York, but instead had been focused on an entirely different group of players, more obtainable players, that he wanted to bring into the fold. And that group of players are all represented by Arn Tellem.

That’s right. Beyond the big three, Tellem represents a significant collection of the best available talent this summer. The list includes the fourth best player in this class, Joe Johnson, who we’ve already addressed at length, but it also includes a number of quality veterans like McGrady, Jermaine O’Neal and Mike Miller. On paper, all four players would make tons of sense for the Knicks and it wouldn’t suprise me at all to discover, should the Knicks strike out with the big 3, that Donnie Walsh was intent on signing all of them.

So, assuming that what I’ve described above might be an accurate depiction of what’s going on here (a nervy assumption, I realize), here are what I think are the right questions:

If the Knicks are unable to sign Lebron, Wade or Bosh, could fans get comfortable with the idea of a roster dominated by the clients of superagent Arn Tellem? And if Lebron is unobtainable, would fans be happy rooting for a team assembled around a core with Joe Johnson at its center, but also including veterans like McGrady, Jermaine O’Neal and perhaps Mike Miller?

It’s something to start considering because I think this could very well be the outcome of summer 2010. And it may have been Donnie Walsh’s “plan A” all along.

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2/27/2010  4:35 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Joe Johnson, with T-Mac and Jermaine O'neal ?

I'll burn the Garden down to smithereens.

I bring the gasoline and matches. And if they tell me that Boozer or Lee is what they spent lottery picks on I'll bring the torches as well.

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2/27/2010  7:54 PM

Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??
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2/27/2010  8:08 PM
Why is there another thread on this?

That's not a good looking team anyway. Nobody on this site takes into consideration that Chandler needs to be reupped after next year. That's going to create major complications in signing a 2011 FA to take Eddy's slot, so you have to strike in 2010 to get your core and then use trades after that.

The 2011 cap space is really a misleading concept.

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2/27/2010  8:44 PM
I'm 2010 or bust. I need to see stars or mortgage the farm on melo.

I like the personality of the team post trade(even harrington is growing on me) and would consider 1 year deals for all.

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2/27/2010  8:52 PM
It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...
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2/27/2010  8:55 PM
LOL @ that narrow-minded thinking. Joe Johnson and Amare or Joe Johnson/Bosh or Wade/Bosh or Wade/Boozer would more than justify what they gave up.

Now any combination of Lee, Rudy Gay and Carlos Boozer wouldn't.

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2/27/2010  9:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  9:06 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:LOL @ that narrow-minded thinking. Joe Johnson and Amare or Joe Johnson/Bosh or Wade/Bosh or Wade/Boozer would more than justify what they gave up.

Now any combination of Lee, Rudy Gay and Carlos Boozer wouldn't.

OK...Lets see Walsh follow your script of openmindedness and I will start a countdown to see how quickly he would be run out of town...

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2/27/2010  9:07 PM
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

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2/27/2010  9:14 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

Slim to none honestly...I think Walsh went overboard in what he gave up to clear cap space...I have often commented it seems he knows something the rest of us don't...

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2/27/2010  9:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

Slim to none honestly...I think Walsh went overboard in what he gave up to clear cap space...I have often commented it seems he knows something the rest of us don't...

Saying he knows something would suggest he's tampering. I think he knows about as much as you and I. I agree that he gave up a bit much when he included the pick, but I disagree that its Lebron or bust. We have many options this summer which too me, is key. Saying its Lebron or bust is setting yourself up to be disappointed.

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2/27/2010  9:24 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

Slim to none honestly...I think Walsh went overboard in what he gave up to clear cap space...I have often commented it seems he knows something the rest of us don't...

Saying he knows something would suggest he's tampering. I think he knows about as much as you and I. I agree that he gave up a bit much when he included the pick, but I disagree that its Lebron or bust. We have many options this summer which too me, is key. Saying its Lebron or bust is setting yourself up to be disappointed.

Don't you know that's how it works around here?

BTW, "setting yourself up to be?" People are already groveling with their negativity. It's sad.

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2/27/2010  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  9:27 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

Slim to none honestly...I think Walsh went overboard in what he gave up to clear cap space...I have often commented it seems he knows something the rest of us don't...

Saying he knows something would suggest he's tampering. I think he knows about as much as you and I. I agree that he gave up a bit much when he included the pick, but I disagree that its Lebron or bust. We have many options this summer which too me, is key. Saying its Lebron or bust is setting yourself up to be disappointed.


First of all D Wade is never leaving Miami, never....What are the other options this offseason that you can think of that warrants giving up last years first round pick, along with the 2012 pick..Swapping the 2011..Not siging DLee to a reasonable deal last year?..

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2/27/2010  9:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  9:38 PM
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:It's LeBron or bust...No other player or players the Knicks could resign will justify what the Knicks gave up to get well under the cap...

Honestly, in your own mind, what are the odds Lebron signs with the Knicks? Percentage wise?

Slim to none honestly...I think Walsh went overboard in what he gave up to clear cap space...I have often commented it seems he knows something the rest of us don't...

Saying he knows something would suggest he's tampering. I think he knows about as much as you and I. I agree that he gave up a bit much when he included the pick, but I disagree that its Lebron or bust. We have many options this summer which too me, is key. Saying its Lebron or bust is setting yourself up to be disappointed.


First of all D Wade is never leaving Miami, never....What are the other options this offseason that you can think of that warrants giving up last years first round pick, along with the 2012 pick..Swapping the 2011..Not siging DLee to a reasonable deal last year...

If D Wade aint never leaving south beach, what is taking him so long to sign on the dotted? Not saying he wont resign there, but I wont go so far as to say never. As I said, previoulsy, I hated that Walsh gave up the 2012 pick; Hill not so much, wasn't a fan of that dude.

Options: Ability to sign two max contracts from the 2010 class. Or sign one max and two smaller deals. We can wait until 2011 if need be, we also have the ability to absorb big contracts in trades, etc. Yes, we lost the ability to land in the upper tier of the draft for a couple of years (which sucks) but all other avenues are still open. Moreso than they would have been had we not made that trade. I think the % of Lebron or any max-player signing with us increased with the trade.

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2/27/2010  9:48 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Joe Johnson, with T-Mac and Jermaine O'neal ?

I'll burn the Garden down to smithereens.

I bring the gasoline and matches. And if they tell me that Boozer or Lee is what they spent lottery picks on I'll bring the torches as well.

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