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2/27/2010  10:00 AM
There is no material discernible difference between these players other than rumblings that Bosh and Stoudemire are going to get max contracts. Id rather have D Lee for 6 years 60mm and have the ability to use that extra 7mm on other areas. I don't think anyone can argue---D Lee + an additional 7mm in cap is a much better value prop than just one of those players when they are simply not much better if at all. Sometimes we take for granted what we have--and D Lee is an excellent PF. A Stoudemre and Bosh both have 7 foot quality C next to them--why not the Knicks?
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2/27/2010  10:03 AM
Just 7 million? Are you assuming we get LeBron in this post? Would you sign Camby to a 3 year, 20 million dollar deal along side Lee?
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2/27/2010  10:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  10:09 AM
I would rather have Bosh and Lee, but Bosh is a better player. I don't think Amare is discernible better, but BOsh is bigger, longer, and more physical in the paint. He also is a slightly better defender. If we are going to play an undersized center, I would rather Bosh playing center rather than Lee. Bosh has the size to actually get away with playing center. Lee is overmatched almost every game. To me, that is worth the extra $4-$5 million. But I agree that I would not give Amare the max. He has been injured too much, does not play defense, and is a subpar rebounder for someone with his size and athletic ability.

Ultimately, I think we end up signing Bosh, resigning Lee, and resigning T-Mac and Sergio. We just promise Bosh that we will use Curry's expiring deal to trade for another star player. If you add Bosh to this team, if T-Mac can play at 85% of his past glory, and Gallo can pull his game together, we should be a 40-45 wins out of the team and make the playoffs. Walsh then just needs to use CUrry to trade for that last player to really push us over the top. Chris Paul might be available with the way Collison is playing.

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2/27/2010  10:07 AM
I have to agree with you. Double figure rebounds and points are being taken for granted. So are ball movement and system familiarity with the culture. With David, we're not going to worry about who he is or how he'll fit in because we already know. That 6 yr, 60 mil, or 66 mil sounds like a sure bet as opposed the the fraility of an A'mare. David is a known and valuable commodity. Let's stop the bleeding and add to our assets.
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2/27/2010  10:16 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Just 7 million? Are you assuming we get LeBron in this post? Would you sign Camby to a 3 year, 20 million dollar deal along side Lee?

Camby is done. If we couldnt find another big at reasonable value--Id rather have Scola at 3 years 21 mm and concentrate 2011 on Gasol while resigning Lee. Scola and a back up 7 footer for 1-2mm

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2/27/2010  10:26 AM
While I agree we can go after Gasol, I highly disagree about Camby being done. You ever watch the guy? He looks as good as he always has.
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2/27/2010  10:41 AM
If we resign Lee, then the extra $7mil MUST be used to gt a 7 footer to play defense. If we have to go through another season with David as our defensive stopper, it won't matter if Lebron is here. He will just be bitch slapping David and yelling at him "PLAY DEFENSE, RIGHT NOW, OR SIT THE PHCK DOWN!!!!".

But I agree that Lee + C? > Bosh/Amare.
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2/27/2010  10:43 AM
Does the head coach really care about defense if his three bigs are Lee Harrington and Wilson Chandler?
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2/27/2010  11:02 AM
Moonangie wrote:If we resign Lee, then the extra $7mil MUST be used to gt a 7 footer to play defense. If we have to go through another season with David as our defensive stopper, it won't matter if Lebron is here. He will just be bitch slapping David and yelling at him "PLAY DEFENSE, RIGHT NOW, OR SIT THE PHCK DOWN!!!!".

But I agree that Lee + C? > Bosh/Amare.


I think we can get a back up with some potential for 1.5mm but I dont see any starters available.

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2/27/2010  11:16 AM
If we get the players that we are capable of getting, we will only need someone at the 5 to play interior D and grab boards.

There will be plenty of guys available (at a decent price) that can do that.

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2/27/2010  2:12 PM
I may agree on that regardling Amare
but I don't think David Lee value is better than BOSH

BOSH will get a max type contract, NO one is paying David Lee a max contract the type deemed for 2nd tier players
under the big 3, of course being Kobe Bryant, LBJames, & Wade.

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2/27/2010  2:17 PM
Here is the difference to me. At times during the game, Bosh demands double teams while Lee never does. Can't explain it anymore than that. Lee may shoot more shots than Bosh but that doesn't mean he is as effective in doing so. Also, Bosh is the better defender. Each man should be able to stand on his own. You get a center what does that mean? Is he now responsible for both his and Lee's man. Lee can't defend the four anymore than he can defend the five. See the Isiah years for source. The problem on this team is not offense but defense in the post.
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2/27/2010  3:18 PM
I like Lee in this system at C, not PF. I think his speed at C is a tremendous asset. I've noticed that Lee has 10 blocks in the last 12 games which is giving me more comfort on the defensive end (again, he's no Marcus Camby, but those aren't Zach Randolph defensive numbers either. I would just think that a guy with Lee's athletic ability could get a few more blocks.

I think Lee at an average of $10 per is better than Amare at $15M or higher. Not sure about Bosh, I still think that Bosh puts up numbers when teams are gearing to shutting him down. But Lee at $10M vs Bosh at $16M is a very good question. Not sure on this one, but I am still leaning toward Bosh.

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2/27/2010  4:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  4:09 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Here is the difference to me. At times during the game, Bosh demands double teams while Lee never does. Can't explain it anymore than that. Lee may shoot more shots than Bosh but that doesn't mean he is as effective in doing so. Also, Bosh is the better defender. Each man should be able to stand on his own. You get a center what does that mean? Is he now responsible for both his and Lee's man. Lee can't defend the four anymore than he can defend the five. See the Isiah years for source. The problem on this team is not offense but defense in the post.

Bosh is better, no doubt. But the assumption here is that he is not $7mil per year better. He isn't exactly a defensive "stopper" either. Re-signing Lee is risky due to lack of D, but if he is around $10mil per year, we can add other pieces. The only way I take Bosh over Lee is if we whiff on Lebron and Bosh becomes the superstar FA we build around. I am not convinced that David has fully developed yet. I think he could learn to play D over the next year or so, and then we would kick ourselves for letting him go when we could have had him plus $7mil to build around Lebron.
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2/27/2010  4:20 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I like Lee in this system at C, not PF. I think his speed at C is a tremendous asset. I've noticed that Lee has 10 blocks in the last 12 games which is giving me more comfort on the defensive end (again, he's no Marcus Camby, but those aren't Zach Randolph defensive numbers either. I would just think that a guy with Lee's athletic ability could get a few more blocks.

I think Lee at an average of $10 per is better than Amare at $15M or higher. Not sure about Bosh, I still think that Bosh puts up numbers when teams are gearing to shutting him down. But Lee at $10M vs Bosh at $16M is a very good question. Not sure on this one, but I am still leaning toward Bosh.

Those blocks are suspect becomes they all are coming from the weakside against point guards and small two guards. He should be getting those already without really trying. As Crispino said last night that their strongside defense is the problem. Lee has a problem with facing up guarding guys of equal height and that is a problem. I still go back to the fact that Bosh has led his team to back to back playoffs when he was hungry and not waiting to exit Toronto. Lee has led his team to a 34 win total and now he will be lucky to get stiff 30 wins this season. When I look at the two, I say hey one is the best PF in the eastern conference and the other guy is having a great year.

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2/27/2010  4:40 PM
I have to admit I am not really a fan of Bosh - I wouldn't mind if we didn't get him and went after some other players instead.
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2/27/2010  4:52 PM
Earlier on I would like to see the Knicks make a move and trade for Robin Lopez when his stock was low last year as a future option if this team was going to stick with Lee. But now that he's got into the Suns starting lineup, he is starting to become a force. On both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. He doesn't shoot 3 pointers but he runs extremely well and loves to play defense.
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2/27/2010  7:11 PM
When has MDA stressed defense? He has Wilson Chandler playing the four.
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2/27/2010  7:42 PM
King1 wrote:When has MDA stressed defense? He has Wilson Chandler playing the four.

And David Lee playing heavy minutes.

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2/27/2010  7:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  8:40 PM
Penny wise but pound foolish...We have a few players on the roster that can fit that mold of a 5-7 mil a year player in Chandler and Harrington...We have zero inside presence..Zero...If we want to complete at the next three levels, you definitely need an inside presence...DLee doesn't offer that...
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