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cooch2584
Posts: 21587 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2006 Member: #1187 |
2/24/2010 11:40 AM
thks mark thats all I was trying to say hes a class act
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
2/24/2010 11:51 AM
wasnt Billups a loser till he signed w/ Detroit after bouncing around for 4 years? Wasnt CWeb a big loser before energizing a Kings franchise that was bad for a long time? We could name 100 guys who were good players on losing teams. It proves nothing.
Oohah for guy who was a big fan of Channing Frye I just dont get why you would be so quick to negate the good things Lee does. He singlehandedly kept the Knicks in the game last night. He's gotten better every year he's in the league, often a lot better. what he's done to become a better player and more complete player in this league is awesome. Cosmic, I disagree... he does a good job of putting bodies on people when the shot goes up. He's not a good m2m defender, although the effort there has improved over recent years. If you dont think a guy like Lee is part of a winning team I really dont know what your watching. If you want to focus on 20% of the game tell yourself thats all the matters OK. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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kam77
Posts: 27664 Alba Posts: 25 Joined: 3/17/2004 Member: #634 |
2/24/2010 11:53 AM
I dont want to let Lee go, but what position does he play here? He can't be our Center. His play at Center is almost as bad as Duhon's play at PG.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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Moonangie
Posts: 24767 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
2/24/2010 11:53 AM LAST EDITED: 2/24/2010 11:54 AM
Word, there is no disputing that. And he definitely brings it every game, scores points, grabs boards, hustles, and maybe even is a bit of a leader. But he brings a matador's red cape to the lane on defense, prints engraved invitations for the opposing guards, and let's them score without even batting an eyelash. It's as if he is already thinking "Position myself to grab the board so I can score again on the other end".
I would like to see him up his intensity level on D, even at the risk of fouling out. Give Oak 2 hours with the guy and let's see how it turns out. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
2/24/2010 11:59 AM
kam77 wrote:I dont want to let Lee go, but what position does he play here? He can't be our Center. His play at Center is almost as bad as Duhon's play at PG.he outscores, outrebounds, shoots a higher FG% and gets almost 3 more assists than the opposing players he guards. The only thing he gets beat in is blocks (by 1.7 a game). How is that anything like Duhon? Obviously he's not your ideal center, so when we have a legit 7 footer to put next to him move him over. In the meantime you will just have to live getting 20/11/3 assists and 55% FGs as a stop gap. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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sebstar
Posts: 25698 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/2/2002 Member: #249 USA |
2/24/2010 11:59 AM
I like David Lee. A lot. He's a red cape on Defense, but he plays hard and he's a professional.
I'd love for him to be able to stay and help with the resurgence, but this is one of those business intruding with sports situations. If it doesnt work out financially, then it is what it is. My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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King1
Posts: 22993 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/2/2005 Member: #998 USA |
2/24/2010 12:03 PM
look over the past 6 games and see what he is doing blocked shot wise. You get on Lee for his defense but not one person says anything about Lee outrebounding Gallinari and Wilson combined.
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27678 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
2/24/2010 12:06 PM
Words are cheap. I like David Lee and don't necessarily want to let him go. I think it depends on the price and the alternatives available. Based on Hollinger's PER, Lee is a great player. But "available" free agents James, Wade, Bosh and Dirk are all more "efficient". Also, I question his defensive commitment despite his offensive grandeur. At the end of the day, I would like to keep Lee, but wouldn't do so if I could otherwise get some combination of James/Wade/Bosh and otherwise, I would want to see what the sort of contracts Dirk Nowitzki, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire were looking for. Going into 2010, my entire loyalty is to building a new team. It doesn't mean that veteran Knick players have no place, but I don't see any need to give them priority if better players are available. At Center, we need more of a defensive presence. I don't believe that Lee's offensive presence will be as formidable at PF against faster power forwards as it is against more typical Centers.
You know I gonna spin wit it
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cooch2584
Posts: 21587 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2006 Member: #1187 |
2/24/2010 12:19 PM
" offensive grandeur" I like that a lot!!
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cooch2584
Posts: 21587 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2006 Member: #1187 |
2/24/2010 12:21 PM
Clyde is that you??
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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
2/24/2010 12:29 PM
Give me 7 million.
I'll say the same thing to Clyde. |
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
2/24/2010 12:42 PM
I think what we are starting to find out is how good David really is.
He was averaging 20 ppg and 11 rpg as efficiently as anyone in the league before the McGrady trade. McGrady is a shell of his former self right now but still draws enough attention to make things even easier for Lee. Lee's game would look so much better on a winning team and this is the type of player that would absolutely thrive next to a LeBron. The problem with our team is we have so many problem areas that fans expect our all-star player to address all of them instead of expecting our front office to surround our star with the right supporting cast. You guys think we are bad now? We would be as bad as the Nets without Lee. To give you some perspective, Lee's win share number so far this season is 7.4 wins. To give you an idea of how good that is: Chris Kaman - 2.2 WS So I don't want to hear this "Lee doesn't win games" crap. Just because he is on a bad team doesn't mean he can't help a team win games. Anyone here that has watched over 10 Knick games this season can tell that without Lee, we would be blown out by 30 each game. "This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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DurzoBlint
Posts: 23067 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 7/10/2006 Member: #1152 USA |
2/24/2010 12:44 PM
oohah wrote:cooch2584 wrote:During last nites game Clyde mentioned that David Lee came up to him after the Bucks game and apologized to Clyde and said something to the effect "Im sorry I couldnt do more for us to win on your special night Clyde." And we wanna lets this guy go when he has that much respect?? Yeah, seeing Al Horford look like a 2nd year shaq and Bogut like Kareem at his best. Lee has to seriously work on his defensive footwork AND he needs to learn how to challenge shots. He has the hops and has show he can do it but, he refused to try to block shots. the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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