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Reality check - Everything is getting clear in comparison
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arkrud
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2/23/2010  1:02 PM
We were looking at out mercenaries for a while and get used to them.
We start thinking Chan and Galo are good and Lee is outstanding offensive player.
We even accepted Duhon, Nate, Larry, and Al as something to look at...
Now we have some new pieces to compare in the same environment and...
It already clear that Duhon, Nate,larry, and Al sucks big time even in comparison with not-so-good newcomers.
And Chan, Galo, and lee are not even close to anything like T-Mac, who is a shell of himself and almost done.
Good reality check.
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2/23/2010  1:06 PM
arkrud wrote:We were looking at out mercenaries for a while and get used to them.
We start thinking Chan and Galo are good and Lee is outstanding offensive player.
We even accepted Duhon, Nate, Larry, and Al as something to look at...
Now we have some new pieces to compare in the same environment and...
It already clear that Duhon, Nate,larry, and Al sucks big time even in comparison with not-so-good newcomers.
And Chan, Galo, and lee are not even close to anything like T-Mac, who is a shell of himself and almost done.
Good reality check.

The Mcgrady thing is the biggest think for me. An old Mcgrady just looks superior to all our players.

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sebstar
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2/23/2010  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2010  1:24 PM
This makes no sense...

You've made all these declarations after one game?

And how are developing players like Chan and Gallo not anything close to T-Mac? If we're talking about the T-Mac in his prime then of course. At his peak T-Mac was arguably the best in the league. T-Mac of now? Again, what are we basing this off, one game?

Nate's a good player, but small and limited. Everybody knew Larry wasn't shyt as he was just a cat that cashed in off a couple of good seasons. Duhon had one good three month stretch his whole career. Al is good, he just gets a lil' carried away with himself. All these guys weren't expected to make it past this season.

Reality check is that all our chips are in for this upcoming offseason. Everything else is just side talk.

Our biggest mistake in the past couple of years was not drafting Jennings.

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2/23/2010  1:23 PM
sebstar wrote:This makes no sense...

You've made all these declarations after one game?

And how are developing players like Chan and Gallo not anything close to T-Mac? If we're talking about the T-Mac in his prime then of course. At his peak T-Mac was arguably the best in the league. T-Mac of now? Again, what are we basing this off, one game?

Nate's a good player, but small and limited. Everybody new Larry wasn't shyt as he was just a cat that cashed in off a couple of good seasons. Duhon had one good three month stretch his whole career. Al is good, he just gets a lil' carried away with himself. All these guys weren't expected to make it past this season.

Reality check is that all our chips are in for this upcoming offseason. Everything else is just side talk.

Our biggest mistake in the past couple of years was not drafting Jennings.

We have seen this all before. Where do you think I got my sig from.

Maurice Taylor, Steve Francis, and Penny Hardaway just to name a few.

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sebstar
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2/23/2010  1:40 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
sebstar wrote:This makes no sense...

You've made all these declarations after one game?

And how are developing players like Chan and Gallo not anything close to T-Mac? If we're talking about the T-Mac in his prime then of course. At his peak T-Mac was arguably the best in the league. T-Mac of now? Again, what are we basing this off, one game?

Nate's a good player, but small and limited. Everybody new Larry wasn't shyt as he was just a cat that cashed in off a couple of good seasons. Duhon had one good three month stretch his whole career. Al is good, he just gets a lil' carried away with himself. All these guys weren't expected to make it past this season.

Reality check is that all our chips are in for this upcoming offseason. Everything else is just side talk.

Our biggest mistake in the past couple of years was not drafting Jennings.

We have seen this all before. Where do you think I got my sig from.

Maurice Taylor, Steve Francis, and Penny Hardaway just to name a few.

Yeah, we've had made it a habit of collecting players who were at the end of their careers.

But how are Chan and Gallo not close to T-Mac? I'm still tryin to figure that out.

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2/23/2010  4:01 PM
sebstar wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
sebstar wrote:This makes no sense...

You've made all these declarations after one game?

And how are developing players like Chan and Gallo not anything close to T-Mac? If we're talking about the T-Mac in his prime then of course. At his peak T-Mac was arguably the best in the league. T-Mac of now? Again, what are we basing this off, one game?

Nate's a good player, but small and limited. Everybody new Larry wasn't shyt as he was just a cat that cashed in off a couple of good seasons. Duhon had one good three month stretch his whole career. Al is good, he just gets a lil' carried away with himself. All these guys weren't expected to make it past this season.

Reality check is that all our chips are in for this upcoming offseason. Everything else is just side talk.

Our biggest mistake in the past couple of years was not drafting Jennings.

We have seen this all before. Where do you think I got my sig from.

Maurice Taylor, Steve Francis, and Penny Hardaway just to name a few.

Yeah, we've had made it a habit of collecting players who were at the end of their careers.

But how are Chan and Gallo not close to T-Mac? I'm still tryin to figure that out.

Remember, as a result of the Ewing years, we never had great draft position. In the last few years, we were strapped with the Allan Houston 100 million dollar deal, so we didn't have the cap room. We've always took a bad contract as a band-aid to cover up thr fact that the team was constructed poorly. The back breaker was the McDyess trade, where he immediately got injured and made us scramble for replacements. Chandler and Gallo are home grown. Even if they don't evolve to star status, they'll become decent rotation players. Right now, we need to step up to the plate and get the big hit. It's our time.

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2/24/2010  12:14 AM
arkrud wrote:We were looking at out mercenaries for a while and get used to them.
We start thinking Chan and Galo are good and Lee is outstanding offensive player.
We even accepted Duhon, Nate, Larry, and Al as something to look at...
Now we have some new pieces to compare in the same environment and...
It already clear that Duhon, Nate,larry, and Al sucks big time even in comparison with not-so-good newcomers.
And Chan, Galo, and lee are not even close to anything like T-Mac, who is a shell of himself and almost done.
Good reality check.


And stacking up the promising losses. Don't forget that part.

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2/24/2010  12:28 AM
sebstar wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
sebstar wrote:This makes no sense...

You've made all these declarations after one game?

And how are developing players like Chan and Gallo not anything close to T-Mac? If we're talking about the T-Mac in his prime then of course. At his peak T-Mac was arguably the best in the league. T-Mac of now? Again, what are we basing this off, one game?

Nate's a good player, but small and limited. Everybody new Larry wasn't shyt as he was just a cat that cashed in off a couple of good seasons. Duhon had one good three month stretch his whole career. Al is good, he just gets a lil' carried away with himself. All these guys weren't expected to make it past this season.

Reality check is that all our chips are in for this upcoming offseason. Everything else is just side talk.

Our biggest mistake in the past couple of years was not drafting Jennings.

We have seen this all before. Where do you think I got my sig from.

Maurice Taylor, Steve Francis, and Penny Hardaway just to name a few.

Yeah, we've had made it a habit of collecting players who were at the end of their careers.

But how are Chan and Gallo not close to T-Mac? I'm still tryin to figure that out.


I have the same question, are we calling them busts now?
JohnWallace44
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2/24/2010  8:15 AM
Gallo's a bust. Chandler has steadily gotten better and better from his rookie year and can help you in a game even if he's not on.
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2/24/2010  9:04 AM
Gallo has hit that rookie wall. He is young in his first full season.

Chemistry plays big. These guys need some games to feel each other out. Talent is one thing but how it comes together is another.

Chandler and Gallo are the only parts that matter going forward.

God help us. And the funny thing is he just might.

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2/24/2010  10:38 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Gallo's a bust. Chandler has steadily gotten better and better from his rookie year and can help you in a game even if he's not on.

how? his rebounds and assist are pretty much equal to that of gallo, the same with blocks and steals, except gallo turns the ball over less? explain how you came to this conclusion? in gallo's first full year, he is as good as chandler after 3.. not sure I follow your logic here...

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2/24/2010  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2010  11:49 AM
Interesting article in today's NYT:

February 24, 2010
When Rebuilding, Beware of What Is Discarded
By HARVEY ARATON

The redoubtable legends reunited in New York at Madison Square Garden on Monday night, making the news media rounds, repeating the old war stories they can by now recite in their sleep and soaking in well-earned ceremonial love.

“It’s been a great time,” Cazzie Russell said. “But we all have to go back to reality.”

Russell, the pastor of a 287-member nondenominational church in Savannah, Ga., may have wanted to say a prayer for the Knicks by the end of a night that was buoyed by nostalgia but ended with booing. But he and most of the other 1970 championship honorees had vacated their celebrity row seats by the last two minutes of Milwaukee’s 83-67 victory, the notable exception being Dick Barnett.

Fall back, baby. The rest of the Knicks’ home season may well be as ugly as the basketball sin of the newly acquired journeyman, Eddie House, who fired up more shots (16) against the Bucks than the combined total (14) of the supposed young guns, Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari. Opportunity for growth is a precious thing to waste.

Contemporary Knicks fans may not realize how long it took (years) to build and nurture the beloved team that was captained by Willis Reed, in sharp contrast to what management has done in recent years, and will attempt to do again next summer: manufacture a winner in the microwave.

Lurching from one so-called era to another, Stephon Marbury to Eddy Curry to the current and most ephemeral of all, Tracy McGrady, the Knicks have too often burned the popcorn and, worse, traded off or wasted their draft picks. Having McGrady and House obscure the younger players may ultimately be a questionable sales pitch to LeBron James and the rest of the much-hyped 2010 free-agent class.

By game’s end Monday night, even David Lee — the Knicks’ best player the last two years, their first All-Star in nine years and the eternal believer that the tunnel they’ve been digging through for a decade doesn’t lead to nowhere — seemed as fatigued as the 72-hour notion that McGrady could instantly be re-established as one of the N.B.A.’s elite.

By Lee’s standards, he had a miserable night in front of the legends, especially Reed, who on occasion has playfully reminded Lee of his responsibility to carry on the tradition of left-handed Knicks post players that Reed, of course, established. Foul trouble and the Bucks’ 7-foot center, Andrew Bogut, had much to do with Lee’s performance, but his avoidance of reporters afterward spoke to another possible level of frustration.

While McGrady was at the center of a Jordanesque news media scrum, the absence of a nameplate above Lee’s dressing stall was a reminder that his tenure with the Knicks may soon end. In a telephone interview from Boston, where the Knicks lost to the Celtics, 110-106, Tuesday night, Lee explained that he needed treatment after Monday night’s game, but he admitted how much he wanted to play well and win with the ultimate Knicks winners in the house.

“You know, it was disappointing to play that way, especially on legends night,” said Lee, the only current player who came out at halftime to watch Reed walk stiff-legged from the tunnel, just as he did before Game 7 of the 1970 finals against the Los Angeles Lakers.

Lee’s desire to persevere in New York is no secret. But there is also great fan anticipation now that Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president of basketball operations, has cleared enough salary-cap space to sign two stars this summer, which would likely mean having to disavow Lee, who will also be a free agent.

Warning that throwing money at the biggest names doesn’t necessarily beget harmony was Bill Bradley, who said: “There’s always the illusion that one more player actually will make it all work.” On the subject of adding not just one player, but two, Reed said that while he understands Walsh’s approach in the era of free agency, he is hoping that Lee will remain.

“I enjoy watching him play because he’s what I call a 100 percenter,” Reed said. “David may not be having a good night but it won’t be because he’s not putting out and those are the guys the fans can relate to, the guys that bring teams together.”

Reed believes that an important part of the 1970 team’s legacy and special relationship with its fans was the developmental process from the time he was drafted in 1964. Like Lee, Reed endured losing seasons and had position issues. Like Reed, a smallish center at 6-9, Lee has developed his jump shot to the point where he creates offensive matchup problems for bigger players.

Unlike Reed, Lee will never be ideally suited to be a career center at the defensive end, where his lack of shot-blocking is a liability. But intangibles do matter, as in the case of Bradley, who started over Russell, the much flashier and more explosive player.

“The superstars are very important — everybody wants to see the LeBrons and Kobes,” said Lee, who had 28 points and 15 rebounds against the Celtics. “But from the video I’ve seen and what I know, the ’70 team is remembered the way they are 40 years later because of how balanced and together they were.”

Of the prime front-court free agents who might soon be available, Chris Bosh is a superior athlete and scorer but no more a center than Lee is, while Amar’e Stoudemire is no better a defender than Lee and not as good a rebounder. Walsh will spend his summer dreaming of glory but dribbling around land mines. Before he decides on a painful divorce, he may want to watch some 1970 Knicks video and be sure he can’t imagine Lee in the picture.

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2/24/2010  11:50 AM
Lee may be a "100 percenter" on one side of the court, but he is a 100% liability on the other. That needs to change.
Reality check - Everything is getting clear in comparison

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