BRIGGS wrote:

jimimou wrote:knicks are among the top 5 worst teams in the league record-wise as of today.

Same old story--this is what I mean in my post below. We are NOT trying to lose either. If Lebron James said he wants to win--what exactly do the Knicks have on their roster that is better than ANY of the other FA teams--not discounting his own team which might win it all. This is why I am mad we continued down the path of giving picks away--it's horrible--the management always over-rates what we have on top of it. If we had Lopez S Curry and Lee signed up--it would be a different story--but we have much less--we don't even have 5 guys to call a team.

Lopez is on a team with 5 wins. Curry is on a team with 16 wins.

Our coach likes mobile bigs like Lee not true centers. Curry may have been nice but he was drafted before we got to make our selection.

D'Antoni needs to get over himself and play Gallo closer the dam basket.

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jimimou wrote:knicks are among the top 5 worst teams in the league record-wise as of today.

Same old story--this is what I mean in my post below. We are NOT trying to lose either. If Lebron James said he wants to win--what exactly do the Knicks have on their roster that is better than ANY of the other FA teams--not discounting his own team which might win it all. This is why I am mad we continued down the path of giving picks away--it's horrible--the management always over-rates what we have on top of it. If we had Lopez S Curry and Lee signed up--it would be a different story--but we have much less--we don't even have 5 guys to call a team.

Lopez is on a team with 5 wins. Curry is on a team with 16 wins.

Our coach likes mobile bigs like Lee not true centers. Curry may have been nice but he was drafted before we got to make our selection.

D'Antoni needs to get over himself and play Gallo closer the dam basket.

Troy Aikman was 1-15 his first year--how did that make out?

BRIGGS wrote:

jimimou wrote:knicks are among the top 5 worst teams in the league record-wise as of today.

Same old story--this is what I mean in my post below. We are NOT trying to lose either. If Lebron James said he wants to win--what exactly do the Knicks have on their roster that is better than ANY of the other FA teams--not discounting his own team which might win it all. This is why I am mad we continued down the path of giving picks away--it's horrible--the management always over-rates what we have on top of it. If we had Lopez S Curry and Lee signed up--it would be a different story--but we have much less--we don't even have 5 guys to call a team.

ok here comes the rant......

it just seems to me like each year knicks fans are asked to accept another reason as to why they need to continue waiting for the team to be good again. it has happened every year in recent memory and it continues w this new crew of mgmt. people around here have short memories, but in the beginning of the season, we heard dantoni and walsh saying they had a plan FOR THIS YEAR, dantoni said he would work his current assets and that the current cast could get into the playioffs - he said they had solid pieces to do that right now. donnie backed that up as well. then, all of a sudden reality sets in and the team still sucks like it did the last ten years, and mgmt and coach are not doing the right things to ensure the assets they acquired through draft picks are properly utilized or even developed. the excuse given is that dantoni is more comfortable with his vets playing and that playoffs were not out of the picture yet....then another multi game losing streak happens and poof...everyone concedes finally that the playoffs are out of the picture. BULLSHIT - the entire 1st half of the year was a showcase for trades. we all knew it, yet knicks mgmt stirred some more kool-aid and the fans drank it.

what the knicks (donnie) realized when the trade deadline came was that no matter how much you play the likes of JJ, Harrington, Hughes, etc - THEY WILL STILL SUCK and have no real trade value. in looking at the moves the knicks made, they got raped then, knicks sign tmac and the board goes nuts for a day - posting vids of his 13 pts in 35 seconds crap as if he could replcicate that on the knicks tmrw. then, the most dangerous thing happens - he goes out and gets 26 in his first game. now everyone is talkin as him to the lebron compliment - fighting over whether the knicks should re-sign him for $5M or $8M - "we cant lose this guy" nonsense). knicks fans think for some reason that b/c a player now comes to the knicks all of a sudden they are gonna change from who they were for the past 10 yrs in the league (examples: hughs, curry, jj, tmac, house, darko, etc etc etc)

i wrote somewhere earlier that it looks to me like dantoni doesnt even give a **** during games - as an example, how many times this year have the knicks been down a few points at the end of the game - other team has the ball and we have a foul to give - but it is not given? i can count at least two, if not three times. i mean even a rec league coach should know how many fouls a team has to give at the end of a game or how many timeouts are left. thats like coaching 101. yet, dantoni cant seem to remeber or focus on that sometimes - if he was a nobody then ok, call it lack of experience. but he is getting outrageous money to coach this team THIS year. none of us get a job w free money to take the first year off b/c well you know, we're getting lebron next year so its all about then. if i were to be like this at my job, i'd be fired in 2 weeks.

the fact of the matter is that ny has not been a prominent bball franchise for a decade. people think that the 'lore' of the knicks will bring players here. while i believe that there must be some type of 'fix' to get lbj to the knicks, until the contract is signed, there is nothing but speculation. the fans have nothing to go from other than that.

also, speaking of bron, yes, he cares about winning, yes he cares about maximizing his revenue potential, yes he cares about who his supporting cast will be - he cares about all this stuff. so, bron is not stupid, in order to make a decision, he has to also look at the ownership trend that has taken place in NY - that is where i believe the basis of the decision rests. nba players have witnessed what has gone on with the knicks the past decade - bad hirings, internal company harrassment charges, etc - the franchise does not have a good reputation both inside and out - no one can dispute that. that all starts at the top w dolan. so bron will consider all these things - my gut still tells me he's gonna be in NY. but, is that the genius of our mgmt team? we have a 'plan' crap. hell no - OF COURSE the knicks had to reduce payroll - every team in the league is reducing payroll. and, speaking of plan - every team in the league has a lebron plan. it's not like that plan was invented by walsh. here's my opinion on the knicks plan - i was sitting at a blackjack table tjhis wknd and telling my buddy i have a plan to win money - sure, i have a plan, but that doesnt automatically mean i'm gonna win does it? same goes with the knicks, they have a plan to get lebron and have tried to execute to get the necessary capspace to land him. luckily for me, i won this wknd. will the knicks win in july - only person that knows is lebron - anyone else who thinks they know are just plain foolish.

last point is this - if the current state of the knicks was going on in charlotte or memphis or any other team right now, people here would be calling for the franchise's contraction. but b/c it's the beloved knicks of NY, there's a plan...

didnt expect us to make the playoffs but the East is a joke. Philly is actually 10th in the standings.
Our young guys are going to have to step it up. Miami without Wade is even managing to win games and they have nobody but Beasley.

Gallinari needs to get him mind right and Chandler needs to get going early. This is getting sad.

Source:

But wait we're sooooooooo much better than the Cavs supporting cast because where they could only win 31 games without Lebron we're winning 32 games!

bitty41 wrote:

didnt expect us to make the playoffs but the East is a joke. Philly is actually 10th in the standings.
Our young guys are going to have to step it up. Miami without Wade is even managing to win games and they have nobody but Beasley.

Gallinari needs to get him mind right and Chandler needs to get going early. This is getting sad.

Source:avs

But wait we're sooooooooo much better than the Cavs supporting cast because where they could only win 31 games without Lebron we're winning 32 games!

I dont think we were ever "so much better", but last year one could definitely make the case that our supporting cast was at least as good, or perhaps slightly better.

With the addition of Jamison and the development of Hickson that's a harder argument to make. But as of now, Lebron is not playing with a surefire All-Star, so lets not act as if the Cavs would be world beaters without Lebron.

bitty41 wrote:

I dont think we were ever "so much better", but last year one could definitely make the case that our supporting cast was at least as good, or perhaps slightly better.

With the addition of Jamison and the development of Hickson that's a harder argument to make. But as of now, Lebron is not playing with a surefire All-Star, so lets not act as if the Cavs would be world beaters without Lebron.

Worldbeaters is your term not mine and who cares about last year the Knicks have been gutted. My point is that the Knicks suck and there is extensive documentation of their suckiness.

The Knicks were gutted with an eye towards getting players that would erase our "extensive documentation of suckiness"

I dont think Walsh would mortgage everything unless he had a good idea on what he was doing, so I guess we will see how things play out.

jimimou wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jimimou wrote:knicks are among the top 5 worst teams in the league record-wise as of today.

Same old story--this is what I mean in my post below. We are NOT trying to lose either. If Lebron James said he wants to win--what exactly do the Knicks have on their roster that is better than ANY of the other FA teams--not discounting his own team which might win it all. This is why I am mad we continued down the path of giving picks away--it's horrible--the management always over-rates what we have on top of it. If we had Lopez S Curry and Lee signed up--it would be a different story--but we have much less--we don't even have 5 guys to call a team.

ok here comes the rant......

it just seems to me like each year knicks fans are asked to accept another reason as to why they need to continue waiting for the team to be good again. it has happened every year in recent memory and it continues w this new crew of mgmt. people around here have short memories, but in the beginning of the season, we heard dantoni and walsh saying they had a plan FOR THIS YEAR, dantoni said he would work his current assets and that the current cast could get into the playioffs - he said they had solid pieces to do that right now. donnie backed that up as well. then, all of a sudden reality sets in and the team still sucks like it did the last ten years, and mgmt and coach are not doing the right things to ensure the assets they acquired through draft picks are properly utilized or even developed. the excuse given is that dantoni is more comfortable with his vets playing and that playoffs were not out of the picture yet....then another multi game losing streak happens and poof...everyone concedes finally that the playoffs are out of the picture. BULLSHIT - the entire 1st half of the year was a showcase for trades. we all knew it, yet knicks mgmt stirred some more kool-aid and the fans drank it.

what the knicks (donnie) realized when the trade deadline came was that no matter how much you play the likes of JJ, Harrington, Hughes, etc - THEY WILL STILL SUCK and have no real trade value. in looking at the moves the knicks made, they got raped then, knicks sign tmac and the board goes nuts for a day - posting vids of his 13 pts in 35 seconds crap as if he could replcicate that on the knicks tmrw. then, the most dangerous thing happens - he goes out and gets 26 in his first game. now everyone is talkin as him to the lebron compliment - fighting over whether the knicks should re-sign him for $5M or $8M - "we cant lose this guy" nonsense). knicks fans think for some reason that b/c a player now comes to the knicks all of a sudden they are gonna change from who they were for the past 10 yrs in the league (examples: hughs, curry, jj, tmac, house, darko, etc etc etc)

i wrote somewhere earlier that it looks to me like dantoni doesnt even give a **** during games - as an example, how many times this year have the knicks been down a few points at the end of the game - other team has the ball and we have a foul to give - but it is not given? i can count at least two, if not three times. i mean even a rec league coach should know how many fouls a team has to give at the end of a game or how many timeouts are left. thats like coaching 101. yet, dantoni cant seem to remeber or focus on that sometimes - if he was a nobody then ok, call it lack of experience. but he is getting outrageous money to coach this team THIS year. none of us get a job w free money to take the first year off b/c well you know, we're getting lebron next year so its all about then. if i were to be like this at my job, i'd be fired in 2 weeks.

the fact of the matter is that ny has not been a prominent bball franchise for a decade. people think that the 'lore' of the knicks will bring players here. while i believe that there must be some type of 'fix' to get lbj to the knicks, until the contract is signed, there is nothing but speculation. the fans have nothing to go from other than that.

also, speaking of bron, yes, he cares about winning, yes he cares about maximizing his revenue potential, yes he cares about who his supporting cast will be - he cares about all this stuff. so, bron is not stupid, in order to make a decision, he has to also look at the ownership trend that has taken place in NY - that is where i believe the basis of the decision rests. nba players have witnessed what has gone on with the knicks the past decade - bad hirings, internal company harrassment charges, etc - the franchise does not have a good reputation both inside and out - no one can dispute that. that all starts at the top w dolan. so bron will consider all these things - my gut still tells me he's gonna be in NY. but, is that the genius of our mgmt team? we have a 'plan' crap. hell no - OF COURSE the knicks had to reduce payroll - every team in the league is reducing payroll. and, speaking of plan - every team in the league has a lebron plan. it's not like that plan was invented by walsh. here's my opinion on the knicks plan - i was sitting at a blackjack table tjhis wknd and telling my buddy i have a plan to win money - sure, i have a plan, but that doesnt automatically mean i'm gonna win does it? same goes with the knicks, they have a plan to get lebron and have tried to execute to get the necessary capspace to land him. luckily for me, i won this wknd. will the knicks win in july - only person that knows is lebron - anyone else who thinks they know are just plain foolish.

last point is this - if the current state of the knicks was going on in charlotte or memphis or any other team right now, people here would be calling for the franchise's contraction. but b/c it's the beloved knicks of NY, there's a plan...

i think that's the most i've heard come out of your mouth in the 6 years we've been posting together... except when you're toasted that is.