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3 Simple Ways The Knicks Could Have Won Saturday Night
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d3fundamental
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2/22/2010  2:43 PM
First off, I was very excited and relieved that we have some fresh faces playing for us. Just watching the game gave me a new feeling and hope that we can salvage this season. However, winning basketball games one at a time still remain the goal of having an NBA team, thus let me breakdown how we could have easily won Saturday night if three fundamental facets of the game were stressed.

1. Defensive rebounding and boxing out
Now of course you will read that and waive it off as something that is so elementary, however the Knicks get burnt heavily because of it. First let me go through the numbers. Saturday night: Oklahoma outrebounded the Knicks 51-42 but that is not the problem. Specifically, Oklahoma outhustled the Knicks in to 16 offensive rebounds vs the Knicks only getting 9. Of those 16 offensive rebounds that Oklahoma earned, 9 were then coverted in to baskets with 5 of them on high percentage, easy put back tips or dunks. BOX YOUR MAN OUTTTTTTT!!! If you watch game film of the Knicks, when a shot goes up, all of there heads quickly turn and watch the ball hit the basket, bounce out, and the Thunder grab it. When the shot goes up, take the man you are guarding and check him, clear him out and then REBOUND. This way wherever the ball bounces the guy you are guarding will be behind you, hence not able to get a rebound/put back dunk, or tip in. When you allow a team to extende there positions 7x more then you and 80% of those extensions are high percentage baskets, it will be hard for any team to win, especially a team like the Knicks.

This is very easily expressed in watching the game and what I said above. Simply DVR the game and rewind it when you see the other team get an offensive rebound. Play it back and watch what our Knicks do when the shot is put up. It is quite amusing, but even more frustrating because I am sure D.Antoni is not showing them these clips in film session and he SHOULD.


2. Game Management at the End of the Game
The Knicks held a 6 point lead with roughly 1 minute left right? Green hits a three so we are up 3 now. Chandler misses an open layup (things happen). Within 6 seconds the Thunder get the rebound and Westbrook drives in for an easy layup. It only took six seconds which is totally unacceptable. But still this is our game to lose not theirs to win at this point. House makes two FT's and we sit up three with 12.8 seconds left. Oklahoma calls a time out. IF I WAS D'ANTONI THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE EXPRESSED IN THAT TIMEOUT IS HOW TO GUARD SCREENS OFF THE BALL SO WE DO NOT GIVE UP A DAMN THREE POINTER. DON'T EVEN ALLOW THEM TO SHOOT ONE, LET ALONE A WIDE OPEN ONE FROM DURANT. They come out of the timeout, David Lee's man sets a screen at the top of the key and what does David LEE do???? He sits back in the key as if he was told to help in and allows DURANT to come off and drain a wide open three to tie it. What should David Lee had done? He should have hedged all the way thru the pick and over the top completely eliminating DURANT from even catching the ball. His man proabaly would have slipped and they would have gottena a layup (2 points) (up three-2= up one with 5 seconds left)

Then to make matters even worse, some idiotic play was drawn up which ended in Gallinari shooting an off balance three from Hoboken NJ. I JUST DON'T GET IT. Get the ball to Mcgrady and let him go to work, don't run some fancy hand off play with David lee attemtping to get him the ball and then in a bailout passing to Gallinari at half court.


3. DO NOT LET DURANT TOUCH THE BALL WHEN THE GAME IS ON THE LINE
SELF EXPLANATORY


In conclusion, you can pick a part several reason why they lose, or why they lost Saturday night, but the above are three simple ways the Knicks can control an outcome of a game that ends so close like Saturday night. Let me know what you think.

-d3fundamental
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Cosmic
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2/22/2010  2:52 PM
Al Harrington could have made 1 more shot.

TMac could have made 1FT at the end of regulation.

Douglas could have player instead of Duhon.

Lee could have done more to stop Westbrooks' 18-18FG from 1 foot away. I know he got a career high astounding 3 blocks but it is meaningless when you recall how many times he stood and watched players swoop in for layups.


Etc...etc....etc...

It was a collaborative failure on our part. But we took one of the West's best teams to the wire. Even had them on the ropes! But what are you going to do. Sure, the win would have been a real nice finish to the evening but in the end we're a pretty crappy team. It was a very entertaining game in a very electric Madison Square Garden.

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2/22/2010  3:11 PM
We have one rebonder on our team and were short, thats for one,

Were not a smart team and david lee is really bad in the clutch., as well as Al, chandler, and duhon..

we never show patience and poise in the clutch no matter who's coaching.

Tmac had no legs in the 4th but it's obvious his IQ is well beyond every body else on this roster so maybe that will help

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2/22/2010  3:20 PM
Cosmic wrote:Al Harrington could have made 1 more shot.

TMac could have made 1FT at the end of regulation.

Douglas could have player instead of Duhon.

Lee could have done more to stop Westbrooks' 18-18FG from 1 foot away. I know he got a career high astounding 3 blocks but it is meaningless when you recall how many times he stood and watched players swoop in for layups.


Etc...etc....etc...

It was a collaborative failure on our part. But we took one of the West's best teams to the wire. Even had them on the ropes! But what are you going to do. Sure, the win would have been a real nice finish to the evening but in the end we're a pretty crappy team. It was a very entertaining game in a very electric Madison Square Garden.


I thought when Chadler missed that open layup we were going to lose. Then when we were up 6 and TMac missed both FTs I knew it. Knicks are not talented or good enough to overcome these kinds of mistakes. We just dont have that margin for error.

One thing that did change was we are a different team with a go to scorer like McGrady. A guy like that can make things easy. I really hope the guy gets healthy and be another Grant Hill. Maybe not a star but a solid rotation guy that can have those moments where he really impacts a game. 31 isnt that old to bounce back. Its also not so young where its a given.

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2/22/2010  3:22 PM
that durant 3 was inexcusable..the game plan is to either foul or guard any 3s. i was thinking/screaming the exact same thing at that point. WHY THE F is DLEE so low with a 3 pt lead?
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2/22/2010  3:32 PM
"that durant 3 was inexcusable..the game plan is to either foul or guard any 3s. i was thinking/screaming the exact same thing at that point. WHY THE F is DLEE so low with a 3 pt lead?"

Exactly my point. We are not talking about missed shots, making shots, free throws, playing time for the right guys..We are talking about things that are controllable and involve no skill. We are talking about boxing out, and a coach that tells his guys how to guard to not let one of the best scoreres in the NBA to shoot a game tying three. Turnovers, mistakes, missed shots etc are going to happen, but the things I mentioned in my original post are things that keep happening to the Knicks this season (watch the game film with the rebounding) and are all fixable after one film session.

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2/22/2010  3:40 PM
good post d3 and welcome to the site. now go post on the albe thread so people start taking you seriously
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2/22/2010  3:49 PM
d3fundamental wrote:"that durant 3 was inexcusable..the game plan is to either foul or guard any 3s. i was thinking/screaming the exact same thing at that point. WHY THE F is DLEE so low with a 3 pt lead?"

Exactly my point. We are not talking about missed shots, making shots, free throws, playing time for the right guys..We are talking about things that are controllable and involve no skill. We are talking about boxing out, and a coach that tells his guys how to guard to not let one of the best scoreres in the NBA to shoot a game tying three. Turnovers, mistakes, missed shots etc are going to happen, but the things I mentioned in my original post are things that keep happening to the Knicks this season (watch the game film with the rebounding) and are all fixable after one film session.

wow... reading a defense and knowing what switches need to be made and when takes no skill and is controllable? really? You want to stick by that?

You just watch one film session and never make that mistake again? BB is a all improv. Guys never do things exactly the same. Thats what makes it so great. Its not like football so much of which is Xs and Os. Knicks used to guard Jordan perfectly every game. Only problem is he still beat you.

The mistake was NOT using the foul to give. We should have gone for a steal or mugged anyone behind the arc before he got a shot off

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2/22/2010  4:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  4:37 PM
you have to foul when you are up three and the other team has the ball with fewer than ten seconds on the clock. you put them on the foul line. end of story.
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2/22/2010  7:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
Cosmic wrote:Al Harrington could have made 1 more shot.

TMac could have made 1FT at the end of regulation.

Douglas could have player instead of Duhon.

Lee could have done more to stop Westbrooks' 18-18FG from 1 foot away. I know he got a career high astounding 3 blocks but it is meaningless when you recall how many times he stood and watched players swoop in for layups.


Etc...etc....etc...

It was a collaborative failure on our part. But we took one of the West's best teams to the wire. Even had them on the ropes! But what are you going to do. Sure, the win would have been a real nice finish to the evening but in the end we're a pretty crappy team. It was a very entertaining game in a very electric Madison Square Garden.


I thought when Chadler missed that open layup we were going to lose. Then when we were up 6 and TMac missed both FTs I knew it. Knicks are not talented or good enough to overcome these kinds of mistakes. We just dont have that margin for error.

One thing that did change was we are a different team with a go to scorer like McGrady. A guy like that can make things easy. I really hope the guy gets healthy and be another Grant Hill. Maybe not a star but a solid rotation guy that can have those moments where he really impacts a game. 31 isnt that old to bounce back. Its also not so young where its a given.

The most painful part of it all is when you see it coming. You could just see it coming. You even felt the Knicks themselves knew it was coming and surrendered to it.

Still, that Jeff Green prayer was what set it up through all of this. That was a joke. That misses it's a Knick win.

Durant, well, the guy is a superstar already. That was no prayer when he tied it so nothing you can do there - OR WAS THERE? Clyde always says - FOUL THEM, DONT LET THEM TIE THE GAME WITH A 3!.

This had to have been the 3rd or 4th game this year we had the opportunity to foul a team down by 3 and win by 1. But...we didn't. And we lost.

That's on Mike.

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2/22/2010  7:32 PM
This had to have been the 3rd or 4th game this year we had the opportunity to foul a team down by 3 and win by 1. But...we didn't. And we lost.

That's on Mike.

according to MDA's post game comments, he put it on the players decision to not foul in that situation... i always thought it was the coach's job to tell the players to foul in that type of situation but i guess not.

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