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For the people who want to discount David Lee--we changed the entire team
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BRIGGS
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2/21/2010  10:31 AM
and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.
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2/21/2010  10:39 AM
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

Honestly, I think the best we are going to do this summer is resigning Lee for $10 mil, resigning McGrady on a 1yr $8 mil or so deal, and signing Bosh. We then would resign Sergio and House. Our team next year would be:

Sergio
McGrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh

with Chandler, House, Bill Walker, JR, Bender, and our second round picks on the bench.

This team would be a big improvement but not a contender. But if we sign McGrady to a 1 yr deal and with Curry expiring, we could sign another max player that following year.

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2/21/2010  10:45 AM
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

People whio want discount David Lee don't care about how he is playing.
This is about who he is not how he plays.
But it's OK - it's free country.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/21/2010  11:03 AM
Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?

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2/21/2010  11:03 AM
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

People whio want discount David Lee don't care about how he is playing.
This is about who he is not how he plays.
But it's OK - it's free country.

Who is he?

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2/21/2010  11:09 AM
nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?


T Mac missing those FT's lost the game. My friend we wouldnt even be close if D Lee wasn't on the team.

David Lee cannot play both PF and C--that is the problem--not David Lee.

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2/21/2010  11:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2010  11:10 AM
He had the best game I've seen him play all season...now...I have not watched them all...but kudo's to D Lee for the effort last night...Show me the same energy and effort for the next 28(?) and sure he could get some minutes on a championship caliber team making a run through the playoffs....but no friggin way he plays 40 minutes at center and you win a ring. Just don't see it happening.
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2/21/2010  11:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2010  11:11 AM
Lee actually had a huge defensive play near the end of the game last night.

He did a great job of stepping out and contesting that Westbrook layup near the end of overtime. Problem is that when he did that, no one was able to cover for him and grab the rebound which allowed Collison to tip the ball in.

When David is aggressive on the defensive end, he often does a good job.

He is clearly going to get $10 million or more per season as a free agent. It's a shame because we can potentially lose him without ever having the chance to judge him with a decent supporting cast. Lee has been a very good player without much help and now that he has a guy like McGrady to draw attention on the offensive end (even though T-Mac isn't even on the level he used to be on), I think David's skill set will only look better.

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2/21/2010  11:11 AM
BasketballJones wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

People whio want discount David Lee don't care about how he is playing.
This is about who he is not how he plays.
But it's OK - it's free country.

Who is he?

A guy who beasts on one side of the ball and lets the entire opposing team beast on the other side of the ball?

Or is this going to be another White/Black thing?

Let's ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson errr I mean Sebstar and Playa. They'll tell us what to do.

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2/21/2010  11:19 AM
Cosmic wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

People whio want discount David Lee don't care about how he is playing.
This is about who he is not how he plays.
But it's OK - it's free country.

Who is he?

A guy who beasts on one side of the ball and lets the entire opposing team beast on the other side of the ball?

Or is this going to be another White/Black thing?

Let's ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson errr I mean Sebstar and Playa. They'll tell us what to do.

I think Arkrud was actually talking about David Lee Roth.

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2/21/2010  11:45 AM
Just don't ask for Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin.

"Let's ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson errr I mean Sebstar and Playa."

Sebstar is much more a basketball scholar - think Henry Louis Gates or John Henrik Clarke

playa? Think Cornel West.

They'll tell us what to do.

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2/21/2010  11:56 AM
I guess I look at MJ, Bird, magic and none of them had New York and did fine. I see Ewing on Snickers commericials after his great career in NYC. I see Barkley on more commercials than any Knicks athlete. I think the mystique of New York is there for the natives but no one else really cares. If Walsh can convince Lebron to leave a 60 win team for the unknown then he is a genius.
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2/21/2010  11:58 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?


T Mac missing those FT's lost the game. My friend we wouldnt even be close if D Lee wasn't on the team.

David Lee cannot play both PF and C--that is the problem--not David Lee.

From day one, when he was drafted, David Lee was one of my favorite players. But as I begin to watch him play, he's clearly a liability on defense. Even against most PF's. He's one of those solid offensive players, but weak defensive players. Most teams have players like this, but they have a solid center backing them up. Or they are actually playing their position.

Either we get a shot blocking center or two, or we do a sign and trade with Lee as the trade bait. But we cannot expect to win much games with David Lee playing Center. Tyrus Thomas for Harrington was a much needed trade that didn't go through. His help defense and length could've helped us win this game.....

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2/21/2010  12:02 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

People whio want discount David Lee don't care about how he is playing.
This is about who he is not how he plays.
But it's OK - it's free country.

Who is he?

Successful rich white guy from South...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/21/2010  12:15 PM
TheGame wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

Honestly, I think the best we are going to do this summer is resigning Lee for $10 mil, resigning McGrady on a 1yr $8 mil or so deal, and signing Bosh. We then would resign Sergio and House. Our team next year would be:

Sergio
McGrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh

with Chandler, House, Bill Walker, JR, Bender, and our second round picks on the bench.

This team would be a big improvement but not a contender. But if we sign McGrady to a 1 yr deal and with Curry expiring, we could sign another max player that following year.

Honestly, I've heard crazier ideas. That could get us at least to being a 500 team for next year with an eye toward 2011. The only problem that I keep bringing up with 2011 is that Chandler is more valuable than anyone gives him credit for and he needs to be resigned after next year.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/21/2010  12:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

As long as we do not find that guy, this team is in trouble with Lee as the last line of defense.
We can spin it however you want but this team is built to outscore the opposition, not make stops when it counts.
I have not watched the whole game yet, but here are 2 stats that decided the game.
Rebounds: OKC 51 - Knicks 42
FT: OKC 30 for 41 - Knicks 18 for 23.
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2/21/2010  12:39 PM
We need someone who rebounds. You will see Lee start blocking a shot a game the rest of the year and you will also see the rebounding differential increase because no one else rebounds. Lee out rebounds Chandler and Gallinari combined that is uncalled for.
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2/21/2010  12:42 PM
nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?

it appears you did NOT watch the game, because in the 4th qtr Lee had 3 blocks on key defensive plays that would have had a huge impact winning the game had Chandler not blown layups and TMac not bricked a pair of FTs
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2/21/2010  3:27 PM
King1 wrote:We need someone who rebounds. You will see Lee start blocking a shot a game the rest of the year and you will also see the rebounding differential increase because no one else rebounds. Lee out rebounds Chandler and Gallinari combined that is uncalled for.

rebounding <> defence

it would be nice to get more rebounds, however it would be better to get some guys who try to play d.

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2/21/2010  3:40 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
TheGame wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

Honestly, I think the best we are going to do this summer is resigning Lee for $10 mil, resigning McGrady on a 1yr $8 mil or so deal, and signing Bosh. We then would resign Sergio and House. Our team next year would be:

Sergio
McGrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh

with Chandler, House, Bill Walker, JR, Bender, and our second round picks on the bench.

This team would be a big improvement but not a contender. But if we sign McGrady to a 1 yr deal and with Curry expiring, we could sign another max player that following year.

Honestly, I've heard crazier ideas. That could get us at least to being a 500 team for next year with an eye toward 2011. The only problem that I keep bringing up with 2011 is that Chandler is more valuable than anyone gives him credit for and he needs to be resigned after next year.

I love this team. Also, if we are getting melo, we won't need Chandler.

Sergio
McGrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh

with Chandler, House, Bender

if melo shows up magically...
Sergio (or Douglas)
mcgrady
melo
gallo
bosh

bench doesn't matter. This team is better than the Celtic team of garnet/pierce/Ray
with mello playing the role of pierce, bosh is Garnett and tmac is rayray.

If somehow lee and Sergio are still here I think it's a contender.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
For the people who want to discount David Lee--we changed the entire team

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