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What to do with Eddy Curry's soon to be expiring contract
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cuieee
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2/19/2010  8:02 PM
I've read a lot of what you all wrote on the deadline and frankly I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. So for the sake of talking about something different, I got to thinking about the Knicks’ options come July 1 for Eddy Curry’s then expiring contract. I bring this up to show that there is more at stake in deciding on what to do with Curry than the knee jerk reactions of “I want him off the team” and “we need more cap space”.

Basically I see the options as:

A) Try to save some money off of the 2010 cap by buying him out with one lump sum.

Eddy is scheduled to be paid $11,276,863 next year. From what I remember about the payment schedule of Eddy’s contract (random but some time ago I did some work regarding his failure to repay a loan) he gets a couple of million on July 1 and then equal (smaller) payments for each month during the regular season (or at least that’s how this year was). I bring up the uneven payments and months of non-payment because this complicates the Present Value of what his contract is worth come July 1 2010. A fair deal would be for the Knicks to give him a lump sum of the PV less the league minimum vet salary that he would (ie – might) be able to secure from another team. Perhaps Eddy would be willing to surrender a little extra as a premium for being able to leave and get playing time elsewhere. After all, if Eddy is still hurting for money, his primary concern should be showcasing himself to increase the value of his next contract.

I don’t really see this option saving much off of the cap because the vet minimum is around 437k (if memory serves) and Eddy might not be in a position to leave any money on the table now, even if that is in his long term interest. Eddy’s financial situation impacts whether he needs the instant fund injection (baring in mind he likely gets a couple mil come July 1 anyway) and also whether he is willing to accept leaving some extra on the table to get away from D’Antoni.

Also, concerning the cap implications, I don’t know if the vet min would come off of the cap until Eddy were to sign with another team (might take a while). Maybe a quid pro quo could be arranged where he gets some playing time during the rest of this season in exchange for accepting less of a buyout. My guess is that this would be against the CBA and possibly the law (having an employee pay to work). Maybe something could be agreed upon before July 1 and executed only if Donny needs the cap room for a specific purpose.

I don’t like this idea mainly because Donny will have more important things to do come early July than to talk to Eddy.
I think the money saved would be smaller than most here would hope and that the Knicks would only do this if the money saved is substantial enough to impact their pursuit of a specific lower tier free agent such as Sergio Rodriguez. I think this because if Curry’s contract is bough out this Summer, the Knicks wouldn't be able to...

B) Trade it/him to a team looking for a salary dump.

Occasionally teams trade talent just so they don’t have to pay for it. With the CBA expiring and the owners expected to receive concessions from the players association in upcoming negotiations, chances are that similar talent to the below guys will be available as free agents for less than these guys are getting paid. However since all teams are aware of this, the below guys will be devalued accordingly in trade discussions. As such, the Knicks bargaining power in negotiations is higher than you might think because they can afford to take on these guys while other smaller market, lower budget teams might decide that they are better off with cap room to go after FA to be signed after the new CBA. The Knicks could still decide this too, but it is important to remember that the Knicks will be in need of a supporting cast.

Regardless it’s interesting if not imminently particularly useful just to keep in mind this list of players with substantial long term contracts that could possibly be had as a salary dump(the first salary number is for 2010-2011 season, subsequent ones for each other year).

Antawn Jamison 13.36 - 15.07
Gerald Wallace 9.86 – 10.65 – 11.44 p
Luol Deng 11.36 – 12.34 – 13.33 – 14.31
Nene 11.36 – 11.6p
Monta Ellis 11 – 11 – 11 – 11p
Corey Maggette – 9.6 – 10.26 – 10.92
Baron Davis 13.05 – 13.95 – 14.85
Emeka Okafor 11.54 – 12.54 – 13.54 – 14.54
Rashard Lewis 20.51 – 22.15 – 23.79
Andre Iguodala 12.34 – 13.53 – 14.71 –15.9
Jose Calderon 9 – 9.78 – 10.56
Hedo Turkoglu 9.8 – 10.6 – 11.4 – 12.2p
Andrea Bargnani 8 – 9 – 10 – 11 – 12
Gilbert Arenas 17.73 – 19.26 – 20.8p – 22.34p

Arenas will surely be available but more filler would be needed to make the salaries match. Deng, Davis, Calderon, Maggette, Iguodala, and Ellis have all been rumored to be traded primarily because they have long contracts. Okafor and Jamison have already been traded for this reason. Lewis gets paid so much, that Orlando is probably always open to offers. Nene is listed because Denver has done this type of move in the past with Camby. Gerald Wallace is listed mainly because I like his game, but also because he has a long contract in a small market and the Bobcats have done this type of move in the Okafor/Tyson Chandler trade. Also if Lebron leaves CLE Jamison should be available and if Bosh leaves Toronto, they might be open to trading Turkoglu, Calderon, or Bargnani to blow it up.

Chances are that the Knicks would have to offer with Wilson with Curry because they lack picks needed to otherwise sweeten the deal. However, not all of these guys would be worth a 2 for 1. But after the dust settles from the offseason or at next year’s trade deadline any number of deals could start to make sense. Deals such as: Curry and Wilson for Ellis and Anthony Morrow? Curry, Douglas, and Wilson for Calderon, Belineli, and Derozan? Curry, Douglas, and Wilson for Jamison and Gibson? Curry, Wilson, Douglas for Arenas and a 1st round pick?

At this point There are too many variables (who the Knicks get, if Lebron and Bosh leave, if LAC or CHI get someone big as a FA, if Gilbert gets voided, if Ellis and Nelson can coexist) to predict this far ahead. Also the Knicks could conclude that it might be better for the long term cap to not go this route. Instead they could decide to…


C) Let Curry’s contract expire and then use the cap room in 2011.

To be fair, the cap space would be there if Eddy takes a buy out too.

Here is a list of 2011 FA that should be looking for at least a lot of the possible $11,276,863 in extra cap room.

Al Horford ®
Jamal Crawford
Mo Williams (ETO – possibly exercised if Lebron leaves)
Caron Butler Nene (ETO)
J.R. Smith
Tayshaun Prince
Shane Battier
Mike Dunleavy
Troy Murphy
Mike Conley ®
Samuel Dalembert
Leandro Barbosa (player option – most likely not exercised if Amare leaves + he would want in if Lebron, Joe Johnson, and DAntoni are here) Jason Richardson
Tony Parker
Andrei Kirilenko

With only four players signed for next year it is entirely too early to speculate on which of these guys the Knicks would target over a year from now. But without Jeffries coming off books, the idea of going after Carmelo needs to be toned down a notch because baring a 1 year deal for around 6 million (TMac?) there wont be enough cap space for a max or near max player.

YET...

If the Knicks find themselves over the cap, Battier, Barbosa, Dalembert, Prince, Kirilienko, and Butler might be available for around mid-level exception money. Yet to be over the cap for Summer 2011 would require trading Curry rather than buying him out or letting it expire.

So as I see it, buying him out this summer (option A) could save enough money to tender a more competitive offer to a 2010 FA such as TMac or Sergio Rodriguez. Furthermore, doing so enables the Knicks to go after 1, maybe 2 guys listed in option C in 2011 whom would likely be signed to more favorable contracts under the new CBA.

On the other hand, trading for a guy from option B would allow the Knicks to make a deeper run in 2010 and then sign a guy from option C to the mid level exception.


Thoughts?

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2/19/2010  8:17 PM
Trying to trade him won't help our coveted 2010 offseason cap situation.

I mean, if you could quickly trade him for a guy that makes just enough less than him but fits within the CBA - sure, a mil would help, but, not enough.

Also, this FA crop is huge, and some of them will go fast. We can't waste time trying to dump Curry while letting other teams scoop up the free agents can we?

Retaining him with the thought of using him as an expiring isn't a good idea. It's very rare you can turn an 11M piece of crap player into 11M worth of good players, for, why would any team do that FOR you?

So, I come to this conclusion. We still need 2-3M in cap space, right?

Eddy Curry asked management for 8M up front last season. We gave him 2M up front. (apparently this IS a common practice).

So, Fatty is hurting for cash.

On July 1st he will pick up his player option. Until then we cannot buy him out.

So, Come July 1st, he picks up the option, we pick up the phone and say, "Hey, Eddy, We will give you 8M RIGHT NOW UP FRONT as a buyout, and we part ways, and someone WILL give you the 1.4M vet min I'm sure of it, so you'll get 9.4 mil of your 11M. What do you think?"

I bet, given his desperation, HE TAKES IT!!!!

So we shed 3M more off our cap.

That, is what I see as the best course of action.

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2/19/2010  8:24 PM
I wouldn't mind just seeing him come off the books and add Tony Parker in 2011 FA. Good chance he'll leave SAS as the team is clearly on the decline and starting to look to their youth in Blair and George Hill. Not to mention Eva will push him to NY if the opportunity presents itself.

If we get LeBron/Bosh, Parker would be a great veteran, and playoff-tested PG to join the mix.

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2/19/2010  8:31 PM
scoshin wrote:I wouldn't mind just seeing him come off the books and add Tony Parker in 2011 FA. Good chance he'll leave SAS as the team is clearly on the decline and starting to look to their youth in Blair and George Hill. Not to mention Eva will push him to NY if the opportunity presents itself.

If we get LeBron/Bosh, Parker would be a great veteran, and playoff-tested PG to join the mix.

But, if we're just going to wait for him to expire, why not try to knock that 11M down to 8M as a buyout - giving us 3M extra to play with in 2010?

I wouldn't bother trading him at all though. But I wouldn't just sit by and let him collect 11M either!

BUY FATBOY OUT.

He WILL take a buyout. He is THAT desperate!

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2/19/2010  8:38 PM
I didn't say trade him. Tony Parker is a 2011 FA, and a realistic target at that, who'll likely cost around $10-12M. Buying out McCurry is fine by me.

Looking at that list, the only player I'd consider trading Curry for is Ellis, but considering GS just turned down Mayo and Thabeet for him, I doubt cap space alone is enough to get him. They're going to want Chandler or Gallo, and F that, just wait for 2011.

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2/19/2010  8:58 PM
trading him for a team looking to dump a contract or a buyout are the only real options, but to get anyone worth getting it's also going to take assets... we're not getting someone like Monta Ellis for just Curry's expiring deal, that's not even worthy of discussion... we are looking at the Elton Brand's or the Gilbert Arenas's of the world, guys that are either severely underperforming their contracts or guys with huge amounts of baggage attached.
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2/19/2010  9:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2010  9:10 PM
@TMS this is true at this time...but say next trade deadline?

Here's a link with some good stuff in it. from RealGM He has a rundown of the trades...Lebron and a bit of a different take on Curry's contract.

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2/19/2010  9:11 PM
Who would be under contract come Feb 2011, making 11M dollars, that would be the perfect addition to the LeBron Knicks?

If that mysterious player was so good why would his team want to swap him for Eddy Curry's 2011 expiring?

Baron Davis? Corey Maggette? Iguodala? Dalembert?

Trash like this? Yes. Trash like this.

Buy fat boy out for 8M of his 11M, and while doing so explain to him it's really 9.4M because he can get 1.4M from at least ONE sucker of an NBA team willing to give him a shot.

We get 3M more to play with - and - Cash strapped McCurry gets his 8M up front that he so covets.

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2/19/2010  9:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2010  9:36 PM
Olbrannon wrote:@TMS this is true at this time...but say next trade deadline?

Here's a link with some good stuff in it. from RealGM He has a rundown of the trades...Lebron and a bit of a different take on Curry's contract.

Potentially, the Knicks could complete a sign-and-trade with Cleveland where LeBron gets six years and the maximum dollar amount, while the Cavaliers absorb one season of Eddy Curry's contract, take on a re-signed David Lee and get out from under a contract that only makes sense if LeBron is on your team in Anderson Varejao. Varejao is owed over $41 million over the upcoming five seasons.

A more likely sign-and-trade scenario from Cleveland's perspective, depending on the cap, would be a more simple one where the Knicks use their cap space to absorb the more lucrative, extra year contract LeBron could only sign with the Cavaliers in return for a future pick. This was done in the summer of 2007 by the Sonics and Magic with the contract of Rashard Lewis.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/872/20100219/a_primer_for_new_york/s_2010_summer/#ixzz0g2UQ5lX1

this guy is living in fantasy land if he thinks that's even a remotely realistic possibility... CLE will not hand Lebron James over to the Knicks for a re-signed David Lee & Fat Eddy, i don't care how many of their contracts we take back... it's just not happening... they will find another way to trade Lebron if they absolutely have to that nets them more assets... Lebron doesn't have a no trade clause as far as i'm aware & if he leaves them in the lurch by forcing his way to NY after all the moves they just made to try & put together a championship team for him to play on, i don't see a reason for them to appease him any further... they will look out for their own best interests at that point.

& in case this guy wasn't paying attention we have no picks left to trade until 2014, so forget about his second scenario.

all the other scenarios he's proposing aren't realistic either, because Lebron's not gonna come here to play with second & third tier FA's... he's gonna demand an elite name to be his sidekick, otherwise he's better off just staying where he's at.

the following is really the only part of that article that touches any semblence of realistic thinking... if we miss out on Lebron & another top name this summer, then this is exactly the scenario the Knicks will be looking at:


The Catastrophe Scenario

Because of the 2011 draft class and the insane amount of space they would have had that summer anyways, the Knicks didn't have a true catastrophe scenario for 2010 until they unloaded Jared Jeffries. Because the cost was so high, even if LeBron, Wade and Bosh sign long-term extensions, they will almost certainly have to use their space this summer instead of waiting on Carmelo in order to justify the move. It is unfortunate, but that was what made the move so risky and why so many people believe the risk wasn't worth the potential reward.

If the Knicks are unable to sign any one of those three players, then they will likely sign Joe Johnson and either Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer. All three of those players will have difficulty approaching a full max offer from another team, though I suspect Johnson is the least likely to have concern since he would be such a great fit for New Jersey, Chicago and the Clippers.

Johnson has a familiarly with D'Antoni from their time together in Phoenix and going to New York will finally allow him to become a known name and face to the casual sports fan.

Stoudemire is also familiar with D'Antoni, which could factor against the match as much as it can help it. But they could need each other a whole lot more than they don't and Stoudemire has matured as a ballplayer with his face-up game. I think he'll get there in terms of personality once he gets his extension.

A team that features Johnson, Stoudemire/Boozer, Gallinari and Chandler should be plenty good enough to be a perennial fourth or fifth seed in the Eastern Conference at the very least.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/872/20100219/a_primer_for_new_york/s_2010_summer/#ixzz0g2ViimlN

sorry, but there is no way to justify trading away all the assets we did just to transform our team into a perennial 4th or 5th seed in the Eastern Conference... this was an all or nothing move as far as i'm concerned... everything will be known come July.

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