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Best Case/Worst Case July, 2010
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Knixkik
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2/19/2010  7:53 AM
Now that our summer cap situation is officially set, what main players are we most likely to bring in? Just when things were looking a little bleak, with the Cavs having a shot at Amare and the Knicks current situation nowhere in sight, suddenly we get the cap space and the Cavs settle for Jamison, who increases their chances of winning right now, but may hurt them long term.

Make no mistake, if i'm lebron, i would much rather play in new york with bosh, wade, amare, johnson, or lee/healthy tmac then mo williams and jamison in cleveland the next 3 years or so.

I would say best case for july is lebron and wade or lebron and bosh, although i think bosh is more likely. Lebron with amare or johnson is fallback, plan B.

Plan C would be lebron with a resigned Lee and possibly resigned TMac if healthy, or a couple solid role players like camby and /or bell.

Plan D is Johnson with Bosh, Amare, or Lee with that same combination listed above.

And the ultimate backup plan (E) would probably have to be Rudy Gay and resign Lee and either McGrady or someone like Felton.

While i hope it doesn't come down to plan E, i am intrigued by every possibility here, and i think we have set ourselves up well for this summer. But championship or not, i just can't see Lebron feeling confident in his situation in cleveland long term with an aging jamison, glorified role player in Williams, and the rest of the cash and cap strapped roster they have assembled. Since he wasn't able to get amare, i can't see another situation where he can play alongside another NBA elite player anytime soon.

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2/19/2010  8:39 AM
well i guess it come down to which scenerio benefits the athletes and their options:

lebron: ( realistic options- cleveland, ny and miami)- i personally think he will choose between ny and cleveland. it is now 50-50 whereas 48 hours ago it was only 25-75. miami would be an option only because of the lure of playing with wade however it will be wade's city if he choose to stay and bron wouldnt accept that. i dont think it matters if cleveland wins a title or not whether he is staying or going. i think he made up his mind either way and jamison, tho a good move, shouldnt impact because it isnt a longevity plan like amare would have been. cleveland took a big risk because they have no cap room either now with this trade.

wade: ( realistic options- miami, chicago and ny)- another scenario wheras 48 hours ago, ny wasnt even a factor for coming to ny. with the cap room, he is definately in the conversation now. i still say that miami is the frontrunner and most likely sign with them. if not, i can see him going to chi-town however he will always be living in the shadow of his airness. ny is a viable option IF we get bosh or lebron. i cant see him signing with any other options except maybe nowitski. i would say 40-60 chance.

bosh: ( realistic options- ny, chicago and miami)- i think it is a foregone conclusion that bosh is the upper tier free agent that WILL leave his current team but he has MANY options. again, the last 48 hours up the ante of getting him and its a more realistic option. before ny was distant, i think we are neck and neck with chi-town and miami. chicago has the best role players so that is an advantage and if miami resigns wade, that is huge. i would say 33% because it is even keel with the other two teams.

stoudamire: ( realistic option- ny, miami, phoenix, dallas)- not trading stoudamire will give him more options in the free agent market and i think he will lean towards being the second fiddle to someone else like wade so getting two max spaces will benefit. however, there is caution to sign him because of his injuries. nevertheless he will bolster this frontcourt decisively. i would say 40%.

joe johnson: ( realistic option- atlanta, ny, chicago, miami)- jo jo is the highest of the second tier players and i think the reason he is second tier is because he isnt characmatic as the upper echelon players. however, his playing skills is that of a upper tier player. consistency and the assassin mentality is what is missing here. he is a very good robin towards a batman but he can not take over games by himself consistently. out of everyone on this list, he is probably the most accessible and we can get him but will the fanbase be happy? i would say 70 %.

dirk diggler- ( realistic option- dallas, ny, miami) i am shocked no one mentioned him but he is also in play especially if dallas flounders. the trade could make them competitive again but with the lakers dominant he might want to try to go out east. cuban will do everything in his power to keep him but we dont know what exactly he really wants. dirk is entering his prime and he wants to win. the appeal to play on the big market with anither marque player might be very enticing. i would give this a 50%.

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2/19/2010  5:07 PM
there is 1 plan & 1 plan only... Lebron & Wade or Bosh this summer... anything else is not acceptable, we could have had 2nd tier FA's to come here w/o making the T-Mac trade... forget about Dirk, he was never coming here to begin with... if we end up with David Lee & Joe Johnson out of all this the entire Knicks' braintrust deserves to be kicked to the curb.
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2/19/2010  5:17 PM
Lebron and Bosh, please. Everything else is second-rate in comparison. With Gallo, Chandler and Sergio... I like our starting five very much. Douglas, Bender and possibly House off the bench (hate him, but he has a requisite skill and we can sign him last. If we are able to use an MLE, I like Camby a lot. Or, if TMAC isn't talking BS, I could see resigning him and Lee as a plan B if Bosh signs in Miami.

But no matter what, we are ALL IN on Lebron this summer.

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2/19/2010  5:21 PM
TMS wrote:there is 1 plan & 1 plan only... Lebron & Wade or Bosh this summer... anything else is not acceptable, we could have had 2nd tier FA's to come here w/o making the T-Mac trade... forget about Dirk, he was never coming here to begin with... if we end up with David Lee & Joe Johnson out of all this the entire Knicks' braintrust deserves to be kicked to the curb.

right. it's gotta be two of the big three. because if we got Lebron James, Tracy McGrady, Sergio Rodriguez, David Lee and Marcus Camby, that'd be a disaster. :rolls eyes:

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2/19/2010  5:22 PM
what Moonagie said

especially the Marcus Camby part

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2/19/2010  5:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2010  5:35 PM
I'd say we need to inquire about Durant's future and see what's good with Carmelo before thinking about Joe Johnson.
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2/19/2010  5:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:there is 1 plan & 1 plan only... Lebron & Wade or Bosh this summer... anything else is not acceptable, we could have had 2nd tier FA's to come here w/o making the T-Mac trade... forget about Dirk, he was never coming here to begin with... if we end up with David Lee & Joe Johnson out of all this the entire Knicks' braintrust deserves to be kicked to the curb.

right. it's gotta be two of the big three. because if we got Lebron James, Tracy McGrady, Sergio Rodriguez, David Lee and Marcus Camby, that'd be a disaster. :rolls eyes:

Then why make the trade? McGrady can be signed as a FA for peanuts supposedly, so can Camby. We already had enough space for Lebron.

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2/19/2010  6:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:there is 1 plan & 1 plan only... Lebron & Wade or Bosh this summer... anything else is not acceptable, we could have had 2nd tier FA's to come here w/o making the T-Mac trade... forget about Dirk, he was never coming here to begin with... if we end up with David Lee & Joe Johnson out of all this the entire Knicks' braintrust deserves to be kicked to the curb.

right. it's gotta be two of the big three. because if we got Lebron James, Tracy McGrady, Sergio Rodriguez, David Lee and Marcus Camby, that'd be a disaster. :rolls eyes:

you're a damn fool if you think Lebron is coming here to play with David Lee & T-Mac... this trade was made so Walsh could present Lebron with a choice of FA's to play with this summer... D Lee & T-Mac are not going to be heading up his list... open your eyes & stop rolling them & maybe you'll see what i'm talking about.

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2/20/2010  1:50 PM
After hearing the mcgrady would be interested in coming for cheap (1.9 million or so) i think that presents us with an even better best case scenario. I don't think we would be able to get Camby for that cheap because someone will give him a year or two for 3-5 million per, but i definitely see us getting lebron and bosh and mcgrady or instead of bosh resigning lee and bringing in camby and bell or some other combination of role players. I would be happy with either scenario, but obviously since we have the space, i think lebron would prefer bosh and a resigned mcgrady if we are convinced he can give us 70 games a season and a healthy playoffs. Then i think we should consider trading chandler for augustine because he is a spot up shooting point and signing someone like gooden for the vets minimum.

C Bosh, Gooden, Curry
PF James, 2nd rounder
SF Gallo, Bender
SG Mcgrady, 2nd rounder
PG Augustine, Douglas

Then during the season use curry's contract to find a defensive big for the playoffs better then gooden.

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2/20/2010  4:13 PM
I don't want to hear Camby's name anymore as a target. Dude is old. I watched Portland play with him last night and they were giving up points in the paint in bunches. He's not all he's cracked up to be.

Best Case is that we become a championship contender, worst case is we sign someone terrible to a max deal and become the Wiz. Somewhere in the middle is signing guys that are decent but don't get us to the promised land or not signing anyone.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/20/2010  6:25 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I don't want to hear Camby's name anymore as a target. Dude is old. I watched Portland play with him last night and they were giving up points in the paint in bunches. He's not all he's cracked up to be.

Best Case is that we become a championship contender, worst case is we sign someone terrible to a max deal and become the Wiz. Somewhere in the middle is signing guys that are decent but don't get us to the promised land or not signing anyone.

Camby is still a much better version of Chris Anderson & he's a huge part of the Denver success in recent years... i would take Camby on my team anyday, but i doubt he'd sign for anything less than a MLE & i think the same for T-Mac.

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2/20/2010  6:35 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I don't want to hear Camby's name anymore as a target. Dude is old. I watched Portland play with him last night and they were giving up points in the paint in bunches. He's not all he's cracked up to be.

Best Case is that we become a championship contender, worst case is we sign someone terrible to a max deal and become the Wiz. Somewhere in the middle is signing guys that are decent but don't get us to the promised land or not signing anyone.

I thought I was the only one who noticed. Knicks seems obsessed with over the hill players who are past their prime.

Neither Camby or Mcgrady can stay healthy enough to be relied upon for an entire season.

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