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If we cant get LBJ or Bosh---how is this scenario
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BRIGGS
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2/18/2010  10:14 AM
CJ Watson 4 years--12mm
Shannon Brown 5 years 22.5mm
Chris Douglas Roberts 4 years 14.5mm
Tyrus Thomas 5 years 27.5mm
Krylo Fazenko 3 years 4.5mm
Resign David Lee 6 years 56.5mm
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$ spent to cap year 1 22.7mm[not including draft pick[s]
Total cap 50mm

Have maximum cap room for 2011

Acquire 3 guards who increase speed depth and have the skills to spread the floor and can play some D

Acquire interior help Tyrus Thomas[who MDA likes and a back up 7-1 300 pound active C who can do some things when given a chance--plays hard

You have upside with every player---all who have some very nice bonafides given extended PT and we are able to keep very flexible and fluid in terms of $$$

I know the Knicks dont think this way but I think bringing in speed balance and some size[overall quality depth] to help Lee while Chandler Gallinari and Hill improve. It might not be seen as sexy but I think it's a good strategy.

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2/18/2010  10:24 AM
So we tanked 2 years to spend our cap room on mediocre role players?

Ehh.

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2/18/2010  10:41 AM
iSergio wrote:So we tanked 2 years to spend our cap room on mediocre role players?

Ehh.


I see guys who are young with upside potential who can enhance/balance the core/depth we have here. I dont think we are getting LBJ Wade or Bosh. If I don't--this would be the model I would choose. Im not spending all of my money so I can be a player in 2011 and I will have succeeded in improving the team getting it younger more athletic faster with more size. Guys who are young and hungry

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2/18/2010  10:42 AM
we need a PG and i don't see Watson filling that role.

Felton, maybe?

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2/18/2010  10:54 AM
LOL that roster is worse than what we have now

you must be joking.

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2/18/2010  10:55 AM
dude... your all over the place. Your throwing money at marginal talent. Maybe one of those guys really improves. Maybe the rest are now set for a comfy life with the contract you just game them and fizzle out.

The whole point in the cap space thing is to collect ELITE level talent. There are two ways to get it. Draft it or sign it. This is why were are doing this. We dont need young hungry guys. Chandler, Gallo, Lee and Douglas have all shown that enthusiasm. Hopefully Hill does also. We need ELITE talent. Thats Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare... hell, Joe Johnson would be the best player on our team right now.

This is NO DIFFERENT than trading your highly paid veterans for garbage and tanking, so you have a SHOT at a franchise player in the draft. Crawford and Zach were good players.. they have proven they can win after leaving here. This is about getting a star or at least a core of talent we can build a team around. None of the guys you mentioned represent that. Those are 2ndary guys.

Lets talk backup plans when the big guns have signed elsewhere or with there old teams.

For now the plan is to sit down LBJ and Bosh and say they can run the team and the city for the next 10 years. Thats the plan. Let the guy do his job.

CJ Watson?!?!?!?! CDR????!?!?! Lets get them with the MLE in 2011

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2/18/2010  10:58 AM
How about this: If we cant get LBJ or Bosh, we tar and feather Walsh and D'Antoni, throw 'em on a flatbed truck and drive them through Manhattan to the taunts and jeers of the disappointed Knicks fans?
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2/18/2010  11:00 AM
This is better known as the "throw tons of crap at a wal and hope to God something, anything, sticks" method.
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2/18/2010  11:03 AM
BasketballJones wrote:How about this: If we cant get LBJ or Bosh, we tar and feather Walsh and D'Antoni, throw 'em on a flatbed truck and drive them through Manhattan to the taunts and jeers of the disappointed Knicks fans?

Marbury's truck?

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2/18/2010  11:06 AM
Panos wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:How about this: If we cant get LBJ or Bosh, we tar and feather Walsh and D'Antoni, throw 'em on a flatbed truck and drive them through Manhattan to the taunts and jeers of the disappointed Knicks fans?

Marbury's truck?

Absolutely. Great idea.

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2/18/2010  11:10 AM
fishmike wrote:dude... your all over the place. Your throwing money at marginal talent. Maybe one of those guys really improves. Maybe the rest are now set for a comfy life with the contract you just game them and fizzle out.

The whole point in the cap space thing is to collect ELITE level talent. There are two ways to get it. Draft it or sign it. This is why were are doing this. We dont need young hungry guys. Chandler, Gallo, Lee and Douglas have all shown that enthusiasm. Hopefully Hill does also. We need ELITE talent. Thats Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare... hell, Joe Johnson would be the best player on our team right now.

This is NO DIFFERENT than trading your highly paid veterans for garbage and tanking, so you have a SHOT at a franchise player in the draft. Crawford and Zach were good players.. they have proven they can win after leaving here. This is about getting a star or at least a core of talent we can build a team around. None of the guys you mentioned represent that. Those are 2ndary guys.

Lets talk backup plans when the big guns have signed elsewhere or with there old teams.

For now the plan is to sit down LBJ and Bosh and say they can run the team and the city for the next 10 years. Thats the plan. Let the guy do his job.

CJ Watson?!?!?!?! CDR????!?!?! Lets get them with the MLE in 2011

I think we played quite well at some points this year. We fell off the map because we don't have size in the middle--we lack quality depth at the guard positions. I put a standard down of each player shooting 45% or better --all had to have good/solid upside potential and have already shown that higher end potential over a period of time. We cant play fast because we dont have speed--these guys match what were looking for in a faster paced tempo. Who says any of these players cant develop into all stars or close to it? Im not just throwing names out there--I put a lot of thought into how I would integrate them --their costs their upside size length balance---Im looking at everything. I don't think these are mediocre players--they are players who havent been given enough extended minutes. I also like Amir Johnson from Toronto but if we keep Hill we should just keep and try to develop.

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2/18/2010  11:19 AM
Yes.. we did play well, and I agree... we need size and anytime we got good play from Duhon we (or Hughes for a stretch) we won a lot of games.

You missing my point though... the guys you mentioned are a lot easier to get then the guys I mentioned. We didnt let good players and future draft picks walk to sign the kind of guys you have mentioned.

Walsh built a very good team by doing exactly what you mentioned. He went out and got a bunch of young hungry guys via trades and brought in Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, Bender cleaned out an old team keeping only Reggie.

This guy has a plan. Its about this summer. Lets see. There is no guarentee that he will execute, but he is sure as hell sticking to it.

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2/18/2010  11:25 AM
i gotta admit briggs, that roster is horrible. sure those guys may have upsides but comeon, you can't go out and sign a bunch of scrubs.
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2/18/2010  11:27 AM
Krylow? Great name!
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2/18/2010  11:38 AM
I don't hate any of the players you listed Briggs but how does this sound:

The NY Knicks have committed 81 Million to CJ Watson, Shannon Brown, Tyrus Thomas, CDR and Krylo Fazenko.

Why so many years on the contracts too? Who are we competing against to sign these guys that 3-4-5 years is necessary?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/18/2010  11:43 AM
if we don't get LBJ/Wade/Bosh... even if we do get Bosh... our biggest hole is a playmaking PG or Combo guard. look at the good teams in the league, especially the up and comers: Bulls have D Rose, Boston has Rondo, Hornets have Paul and now Collison, Jazz have Deron, Kings have Tyreke Evans, OKC has Westbrook, Memphis has Mayo, GSW has Curry (okay, that team is a mess), Bucks have Jennings, Heat have Wade, Cavs have LBJ essentially running the offense... i think we need a guy like that desperately. desperately.

i don't know if Joe Johnson qualifies, but he might be good. i've heard from Hawks fans that he holds the ball a lot on offense and looks for his own shot, not create for others. somehow, we need a guy like that. we dropped the ball not getting stephen curry. to a lesser extent we dropped it by not taking jennings (i think curry was by far the better fit). we need a playmaking guard. need need need. when duhon was playing AVERAGELY, the team went 12-6. if we had a good to great guy in duhon's spot, we'd be a good to very good team.

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2/18/2010  12:39 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I don't hate any of the players you listed Briggs but how does this sound:

The NY Knicks have committed 81 Million to CJ Watson, Shannon Brown, Tyrus Thomas, CDR and Krylo Fazenko.

Why so many years on the contracts too? Who are we competing against to sign these guys that 3-4-5 years is necessary?


I like the extended years so that if a player really blows up--I have him salary restricted. I'm betting that I am right about the player. If I am wrong the yearly $ total is not prohibitive.

Id rather have these 5 players for 80mm than one Joe Johnson for 80 mm --make sense?

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2/18/2010  12:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2010  4:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:CJ Watson 4 years--12mm
Shannon Brown 5 years 22.5mm
Chris Douglas Roberts 4 years 14.5mm
Tyrus Thomas 5 years 27.5mm
Krylo Fazenko 3 years 4.5mm
Resign David Lee 6 years 56.5mm
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$ spent to cap year 1 22.7mm[not including draft pick[s]
Total cap 50mm

Have maximum cap room for 2011

Acquire 3 guards who increase speed depth and have the skills to spread the floor and can play some D

Acquire interior help Tyrus Thomas[who MDA likes and a back up 7-1 300 pound active C who can do some things when given a chance--plays hard

You have upside with every player---all who have some very nice bonafides given extended PT and we are able to keep very flexible and fluid in terms of $$$

I know the Knicks dont think this way but I think bringing in speed balance and some size[overall quality depth] to help Lee while Chandler Gallinari and Hill improve. It might not be seen as sexy but I think it's a good strategy.

You know what, I don't hate it, esp. CJ Watson. This guy's really coming into his own right now. Anyone catch the GS game against Sac last night? Watson went for a career high 40. And this was coming off a 20-pt game against the Clippers the game before (both games Ellis was out and GS didn't really miss a beat)..I'm watching the replay of last night's game on the league pass right now. Watson was amazing. So much more than just some undersized D-League scorer. That's a thing of the past; this guy's arrived. He's a very good talent, always has been really. I think he's ready to run his own team -- believe me he's that good. Can score from anywhere -- quick in transition, takes it strong to the rim and can finish with both hands (very good left hand on the finish btw), great shooter from 3 and from mid-range, good FT shooter and he's got quality playmaking ability. Always head-up and making nice passes. Just a very efficient player - he's really playing some great ball for Nelson this year. I'd be very comfortable if Donnie grabbed this kid to run the team next year. He makes our starting PG look like he belongs in a rec league. Watson's still pretty young too - in April he'll be only 26 (DOB: 4/17/84).

GodsavetheKnicks -- The idea behind the multi-year deals is to try and scare away other teams. Other teams may balk at the idea of bring guys back or bring in players for the extra years. Thus, giving us a legit shot at some guys. In theory. Much like how we got guys like Jerome James and Jared Jeffries. Only difference is these guys Briggs is talking about here are good players, not stiffs, especially Watson. And the money he's suggested for each guy is reasonable.

It's really not a bad solution. Might be hard trying to convince a guy like LeBron (gun to his head, he'd probably opt for a 2nd max star like Wade or Bosh instead of all these players) but maybe not. I like all the players Briggs is talking about here. I agree -- all of these value talents combined are much more valuable than 1 3rd tier guy like a Joe Johnson for the same amount of money in the end. If everything breaks down and we can't get the top guys we want, instead of settling for 3rd tier guys for 1st tier money, going this type of route makes a lot more sense to me. You just can't go out there and cripple yourself for years to come by throwing a ton of money at Joe Johnson. Sorry, I could never condone that..

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2/18/2010  4:05 PM
that would be a great roster if we were trying to break the Nets' record this season
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2/18/2010  4:18 PM
This means Memphis is unlikely to pay Rudy Gay this summer.
about 1 hours ago from UberTwitter
Ronnie brewer has been traded to grizzlies for a pick, source says.
about 1 hours ago from UberTwitter

yahoo guy is saying memphis is unlikely to sign Gay this summer. add him to the pile. max salary he can be offered is $12.5M because of the amount of years he's been in the league.

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