[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Howard Beck's take on the McGrady Saga. It's a good read
Author Thread
WindsorPl
Posts: 20413
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/12/2009
Member: #2799
USA
2/16/2010  12:13 PM
This one deserves its own thread.
Incidentally, I agree with everything he said

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/knicks-chase-mcgrady-dreaming-of-james/


To understand the Knicks’ unbridled pursuit of Tracy McGrady, you have to view it through the prism of their unbridled pursuit of LeBron James. Acquiring one could serve as a prelude to signing the other.

The Knicks are trying hard to pry McGrady from the Houston Rockets before Thursday’s trading deadline. Executives for the two teams continued to pursue it Monday, and, according to one person close to the talks, “They’ve made some progress.’’

The teams are certainly closer to a deal than they were a few days ago, but it is still far from a given that McGrady will make it to New York.

The Knicks want McGrady, in part to revive their playoff hopes this season. But James is also a big part of the thought process.


The Knicks need James to see them as a winner; McGrady could help. They need James to see how their young prospects, Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, play alongside a scoring, playmaking, ball-dominating star — which James is and McGrady once was.

This summer, when the Knicks try to woo James, they may need McGrady as a recruiter. If the 30-year-old McGrady can regain his old swagger, he may even make a great second fiddle – the multiskilled sidekick that James never had in Cleveland.

But most important, McGrady would provide options. The Knicks could let him walk away as a free agent, clearing $23 million from the payroll. They could try to re-sign him, for a fraction of that figure. Or, as the team that owns his “Bird rights,” they could use McGrady in a sign-and-trade deal to reload the roster.

Given the Knicks’ sorry record (19-32), there would be no drawbacks to renting and evaluating McGrady for the next two months — depending on what they have to give up to get him.

One proposal being considered, which was reported Monday by Yahoo Sports, shows just how complicated and risky the deal could be: the Knicks would send Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill and either Al Harrington or Larry Hughes, along with draft picks, to Houston for McGrady, Joey Dorsey and Brian Cook.

That framework has been “kicked around,’’ according to one person involved in the talks. But two people working on the deal said it was doubtful this particular proposal would be consummated.
Still, the details are revealing. Under one iteration, the Rockets would receive the Knicks’ first-round draft pick in 2012, and the right to swap first-round picks in 2011. The picks would be an inducement for the Rockets to take on Jeffries, who is owed $6.9 million next season; he has a trade kicker that would cost Houston another $2 million.

Unloading Jeffries would get the Knicks closer to their dream: clearing enough cap room to sign two maximum players — say, James and Chris Bosh. But it would come at the cost of one high-level prospect (Hill) and potentially two high draft picks.

Herein is the gamble for both teams. If the Knicks land at least one superstar and become a playoff team, then the picks become marginal. If the Knicks fail to sign a marquee player and land back in the lottery, the Rockets could reap the rewards (depending on what kind of “protection” is placed on the picks).

So the Knicks would be banking on hitting the free-agent jackpot in July. And the Rockets would be banking on the Knicks going bust.

Several aspects of this proposal make it unlikely. Acquiring Jeffries and Hill – who will make a combined $9.6 million next season — would virtually wipe out Houston’s cap space this summer. With Yao Ming injured and McGrady gone, the Rockets need the flexibility to sign an impact free agent.

Giving up Hill and draft picks would stunt the Knicks’ youth movement. They can do it if they are assured of getting James, but that is far from a safe assumption.

These are the same issues that have held up a Knicks-McGrady deal for the last two months. Simply put, the Knicks have little to offer – and the assets that intrigue Houston the most (Gallinari, draft picks) are the ones that the Knicks can least afford to trade.

Nor can the Knicks overcommit to McGrady, because he is coming back from major knee surgery and may play only two months for them.

For their part, the Rockets are determined to get value for McGrady, and not just expiring contracts, like Harrington’s and Hughes’s. If they want cap relief, they can just keep McGrady and let his contract expire in July (or buy him out after the trading deadline). They are under no pressure to trade him.

Ultimately, the Knicks and the Rockets may still need a third team to make a deal. They have three days left to figure it all out.

AUTOADVERT
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
2/16/2010  12:20 PM
Great article. Everyone knows this summer is all about Lebron no matter how many poster's are talking flexibility.

Deal is very risky for both sides which means it likely wont get done. Morey and Walsh dont seem like the gambling type.

NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
JayNYC
Posts: 20732
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/7/2004
Member: #682
USA
2/16/2010  12:48 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Great article. Everyone knows this summer is all about Lebron no matter how many poster's are talking flexibility.

Deal is very risky for both sides which means it likely wont get done. Morey and Walsh dont seem like the gambling type.

I do not know if its about gambling.. as much about "one upsmanship". Morey IMO is probably of the mindset that if NYK (Walsh) wants to reap the benefits of cap flexibilty AND Gain someone that can potentially change the direction of this franchise (Whether it be for the remaining 30 plus games or so, or at season end in free agency) at The Rockets expense... NYK should be prepared to OVERcompensate for such a move! He's negotiating from a position of power, remember TMac doesnt have to be traded or waived.. They can let him rot on the bench until seasons end and save 23 mil

Inhale deep like the words of my breath/ I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death-- Circa 1994 Nasty Nas: NY State of Mind
WindsorPl
Posts: 20413
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/12/2009
Member: #2799
USA
2/16/2010  12:54 PM
A deal may get done, just not this one. I think Houston wants Hill, Knicks are willing to give up Hill with Jeffries, but the hold up maybe Donnie expecting a pick (Either 2010 or 2012) in return for including Al with Hill and Jeffries. Houston gets an option to swap 2011 picks if it's Hughes instead of Al, with some protection built in by Donnie. That sounds a like a fairer deal for both teams.
TheGame
Posts: 26647
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2006
Member: #1154
USA
2/16/2010  2:04 PM
IF we give up Hill and two draft picks, then Walsh should be shot. That is far too much to risk on the slim chance of signing James. We can always do a sign and trade with Toronto if Bosh makes it clear that he wants to walk. Plus, I am still not convinced Hill is not a keeper. I would either give Houston Hill or 1 first round pick. Anything beyond that is a bad deal for us.
Trust the Process
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
2/16/2010  2:07 PM
would people be as upset with giving up picks to move jeffries if we can get picks back for someone like Nate?
¿ △ ?
bitty41
Posts: 22316
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 12/3/2006
Member: #1215

2/16/2010  2:08 PM
How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
2/16/2010  2:10 PM
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
2/16/2010  2:12 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.

Over Carl Landry and Luis Scola? I'd be surprised. Maybe for next season.

¿ △ ?
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
2/16/2010  2:16 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.

Over Carl Landry and Luis Scola? I'd be surprised. Maybe for next season.


Over David Andersen and I think he would get some of Hayes minutes as well.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
93BUICK
Posts: 22281
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/6/2006
Member: #1175
USA
2/16/2010  2:44 PM
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.

the answer is- not funny

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
2/16/2010  3:44 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.

Over Carl Landry and Luis Scola? I'd be surprised. Maybe for next season.


Over David Andersen and I think he would get some of Hayes minutes as well.

he is easily better than those scrubs they have playing at C... they got a 6'6" guy starting at C for God's sakes! Luis Scola is an expiring & they may not think he'll be worth the raise he's going to command in free agency... Landry does everything Scola does & will be a much cheaper option for them next season & younger besides... Jordan Hill & Budinger played well together at Arizona, i have no doubt that's why the Rockets are interested in him as well... if Jordan Hill goes to Houston & starts to beast you're never going to hear the end of it from me.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
GodSaveTheKnicks
Posts: 23952
Alba Posts: 21
Joined: 11/21/2006
Member: #1207
USA
2/16/2010  3:50 PM
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.

Maybe it's because the basketball situation here has been an absolute mess for a while now. Not the ideal environment for a young player to develop. All the super talented guys will prevail but guys who need the right coaching staff, system, veteran teammates, to develop had no shot of learning how to play winning basketball here.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
JayNYC
Posts: 20732
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/7/2004
Member: #682
USA
2/16/2010  3:53 PM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.

Over Carl Landry and Luis Scola? I'd be surprised. Maybe for next season.


Over David Andersen and I think he would get some of Hayes minutes as well.

he is easily better than those scrubs they have playing at C... they got a 6'6" guy starting at C for God's sakes! Luis Scola is an expiring & they may not think he'll be worth the raise he's going to command in free agency... Landry does everything Scola does & will be a much cheaper option for them next season & younger besides... Jordan Hill & Budinger played well together at Arizona, i have no doubt that's why the Rockets are interested in him as well... if Jordan Hill goes to Houston & starts to beast you're never going to hear the end of it from me.

Im sorry, I tried to stay away from this debate... but cant help myself. First off, IMO Jordan Hill's ceiling/potential is in the mode of a Channing Frye. He is not going to be a game changing PF, again my opinion. Is he better than the Rockets current group of PF's.. NOW?? NO! Future maybe. BTW, Cant say that Scola, Landry, Anderson or Hayes are "scrubs" or bums.. especially seeing that they've all held their own against the Bigs out west. In fact Luis Scola might give him a run for his money once Hill is at full potential.

Inhale deep like the words of my breath/ I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death-- Circa 1994 Nasty Nas: NY State of Mind
Marv
Posts: 35540
Alba Posts: 69
Joined: 9/2/2002
Member: #315
2/16/2010  3:56 PM
93BUICK wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.

the answer is- not funny

i think it'd be good for plenty of yuks at stouts.

Uptown
Posts: 31359
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

2/16/2010  4:20 PM
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.

Everyone does because we overvalue every and any one not in a Knick uniform.....

TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
2/16/2010  4:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2010  4:37 PM
JayNYC wrote:
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
bitty41 wrote:How funny would it be if Hill is traded to Houston and starts beasting. It seems that everyone automatically gets better once leaving the Knicks.
I think Hill would do great in Houston. Playing alongside guys like Hayes and Battier and for Adelman would be a nice situation for him. My guess is he minimally gets 25 minutes a game if he goes there.

Over Carl Landry and Luis Scola? I'd be surprised. Maybe for next season.


Over David Andersen and I think he would get some of Hayes minutes as well.

he is easily better than those scrubs they have playing at C... they got a 6'6" guy starting at C for God's sakes! Luis Scola is an expiring & they may not think he'll be worth the raise he's going to command in free agency... Landry does everything Scola does & will be a much cheaper option for them next season & younger besides... Jordan Hill & Budinger played well together at Arizona, i have no doubt that's why the Rockets are interested in him as well... if Jordan Hill goes to Houston & starts to beast you're never going to hear the end of it from me.

Im sorry, I tried to stay away from this debate... but cant help myself. First off, IMO Jordan Hill's ceiling/potential is in the mode of a Channing Frye. He is not going to be a game changing PF, again my opinion. Is he better than the Rockets current group of PF's.. NOW?? NO! Future maybe. BTW, Cant say that Scola, Landry, Anderson or Hayes are "scrubs" or bums.. especially seeing that they've all held their own against the Bigs out west. In fact Luis Scola might give him a run for his money once Hill is at full potential.

don't remember ever calling Scola & Landry out as scrubs... i was talking about Hayes & Anderson... gimme a break if u don't think Hayes & Anderson are scrubs... check out their game logs & tell me how they're so much different than Jared Fishlips

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Howard Beck's take on the McGrady Saga. It's a good read

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy