They must think Hill is gunna be dog shyt. You dont trade a lottery pick a few months later, one who hasnt been able to show his potential, unless you're getting an All-Star in his prime back in return.

They must have seen him in practice and realized they made a horrible mistake and its time to cut bait before the pick gets exposed. I dont think they made a mistake with the trade in the context that they know Hill is a scrub.

The '09 draft was a major waste of what could have been a huge asset. If we had Brandon Jennings, a player whose potential we believe in, then we wouldnt have to make a panic deal. A major free agent would have been excited enough to play with a core of Gallo, Jennings, Chandler, Lee, ext.

We could have used the asset of Curry and Jeffries expiring in a more useful manner next year.

nixluva wrote: Not a proven anything yet. We'd be moving a pick for a chance at proven talent. That trumps potential.

nixluva wrote:Hey they really wanted Curry and Hill was a good pick if you had a trade in mind all Along. The only guys I thnk DW wasn't interested in trading were Gallo n Chan. For a chance to shed Jared or Curry I think Hill was always in play. A lot of people missed on Jennings. Of course now we can say it was a mistake but if Jennings was so high on everyones list he would've gone earlier. One thing has nothing to do with the other. So we move our pick to get a shot at proven top tier talent who cares if it works. As good as Jennings has looked he's not Bosh, Wade... Not a proven anything yet. We'd be moving a pick for a chance at proven talent. That trumps potential.

Knicks were never in the market to build through the draft. They are looking to starphuck their way to the playoffs in this upcoming off-season. That was always the plan...drafting Stephen Curry, Flynn, or Rubio was the plan for the draft...Thanks to Minnesota that didn't happen. Yeah Brando Jennings was passed up, but based on intel, Jordan Hill was the safe pick. Jordan needs grooming. Knicks are focusing on winning now. Curry, Fynn, Rubio, or Jennings all would have fit the win now mode. Even Ty Lawson.

Anyway, don't cry a river if Jordan Hill is traded....just cheer Donnie on for saving an extra 9 mill for the checkbook. Bosh or Amare could possibly become Knicks along with another player possibly Joe Johnson...

I'm assuming if T-mac does become a Knick, the Knicks are allowed to go over the cap to resign him. That goes for David Lee as well.

How good is this team???:
David Lee
Gallo/Wilson
Amare
T-mac
Cheaply signed pg like Sebastian Telflair or simply Toney Douglas

Take T-mac out and add Joe Johnson instead....that's a pretty sick line-up regardless.

Shit fellas maybe even Steve Nash comes over via trade since Pheonix will be **** if they trade or let Amare walk.

The possiblities are endless....in other words...who gives a damn about Jordan Hill or a 2011/12 draft pick???

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:He was a top 4 pick on those sites for the first half of the college season and his stock droppe don those sites when NBA talent evaluators didn't share their enthusiasm for the pick. His senior year was significantly more inefficient than his first three, when he became the team's focal point.

Those sites love to keep a guy in their lotto bracket to save face.

Jordan Hill came out as a Junior... his Junior year was his breakout season... he played under 3 different head coaches during his time at Arizona & had to adjust to 3 different systems & still managed to develop enough to put up 18 / 11 / 2 at 54% shooting his Junior season... the reason his shooting % dropped from his Sophomore & Freshman years was because his shot attempts increased significantly, but 54% is still more than respectable for any bigman.

i have never once seen Jordan Hill projected any lower than 5 on any draft board right up to draft night... the consensus reaction by the ESPN commentators on Draft night was that Jordan Hill was a solid pick by the NY Knicks at #8, still raw but extremely athletic... Jay Bilas had him ranked #4 on his top 5 list before the draft even went down ahead of Tyreke Evans & he held firm to that list all the way to draft night

the Warriors were seriously considering taking Jordan Hill at #5 & had him in for a private workout in June which Nellie attended

Okay, you're right--let me rephrase: his final season. His PPS plummeted. And he looked worse the second half of the season. The numbers, specifically his blocked shots, back this. I thought at the time it would be okay just because he was the second best projected big in a weak bigman class.

That said, and you can look at the old posts if you don't believe, it was one of the deeper PG classes in a while and the team needed one, and I was disappointed.

I don't think he's a bust I just think he's adequote. I'm okay risking losing his upside for dumping Jeffries' contract for this UFA period

Pharzeone wrote:Didn't you get the memo, TMS. None of that matters now. Donnie wants to trade him so it's time to trash JHill. No matter how he was built up to excuse not getting a point guard. That was so last week. He's a bum now. He can't get minutes on this great team. Guys in the 2012 draft class, bums. Guys coming out next year, who cares. The plan is intact. This was the last piece for Lebron's needs. Getting rid of JHill and those future picks ensures it.

i have been high on Jordan Hill in the weeks leading up to the draft & nothing has changed my mind about him... the assumption that he's a busted pick simply because we're willing to trade him now is so flawed it's not even worth addressing... i guess that made Jermaine O'Neal a bust too since the Blazers traded him away before he ever got a real chance... or Kobe Bryant was a bust since the Hornets traded away his draft rights... gimme a break.

Pharzeone wrote:

Ira wrote:If Donnie has some way of knowing for certain that he can sign two stars with the cap space, then I won't feel badly of trading Hill or a future pick to get that space. But I don't think he can know that for sure.

If he is so confident, I would cut out the middle man that is Houston and just go up to Ferry and say hey trade me Lebron, he is coming here anyway. The same with Riley.

exactly... there's no way Donnie knows for sure Lebron's coming, because it would be tampering if he did & we'd stand to face some huge fines & penalties from the league over it... look what happened to the T'Wolves & Joe Smith.

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Didn't you get the memo, TMS. None of that matters now. Donnie wants to trade him so it's time to trash JHill. No matter how he was built up to excuse not getting a point guard. That was so last week. He's a bum now. He can't get minutes on this great team. Guys in the 2012 draft class, bums. Guys coming out next year, who cares. The plan is intact. This was the last piece for Lebron's needs. Getting rid of JHill and those future picks ensures it.

i have been high on Jordan Hill in the weeks leading up to the draft & nothing has changed my mind about him... the assumption that he's a busted pick simply because we're willing to trade him now is so flawed it's not even worth addressing... i guess that made Jermaine O'Neal a bust too since the Blazers traded him away before he ever got a real chance... or Kobe Bryant was a bust since the Hornets traded away his draft rights... gimme a break.

Those were completely different situations, bro. The Blazers were priming themselves for a championship run so they were looking for a veteran presence. Bad trade, but their mindset was different. Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. They had no choice.

Hill has largely looked awful in the limited minutes he's received, and he cant even get burn on an awful team and is behind Jared Jeffries on the depth chart. Ok, we're trying to pump up JJ's trade value, then how do you explain signing a completely broken down Bender when we have Hill sitting right there on the bench?

Again, do you see us making this deal if we had Brandon Jennings? Thats my point. The pick was pretty much a wasted one.