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If we took the conservative best approach in the draft
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BRIGGS
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2/6/2010  11:44 AM
going for

C Brook Lopez--highly regarded as the best C prospect for that draft--couldve went as high as 2.

PG Ty Lawson--I know people will say jennings et al--but Ty Lawson was the conservative choice who had tremendous success in high tempo and was the high PER grade for PGs.

PF Dujuan Blair--enough with the cutsie picks---Dejuan Blair was the BPA at 29 and has proved ita nd will continue to prove it


Add these conservative solid based choices to our team and where is the team? Anyone from NY management want to answer? If Mark Jackson was coach--my bet is our picks would look like this.

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2/6/2010  11:56 AM
"if mark jackson was coach..."

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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2/6/2010  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2010  12:24 PM
Wow, this thread is blowing my mind for its originality. Never heard these possibilities before [/sarcasm]

This is like when Tommy Deee makes a "Knicks should go after T-Mac article" No freakin' duh.

New York fans; they can't stop crying over spilled milk. They can't stop living in the past and they have the narrowest possible view of the future. You should've boarded a ship to Pandora and went into cryogenic sleep for the last 4 and a half years.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/6/2010  12:23 PM
Why do we continue to do this to ourselves? Why do we continue with this what if game? Its like we love to play victim and tourture ourseleves..Those guys are on other teams. Whats done is done. BTW, how the heck do you know our team would look like that if Mark Jackson was the coach? Wheres the evidence? Since when do coaches pick players in the draft? I though that was the GM's job.
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2/6/2010  12:24 PM
ugh more of this ****?
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BRIGGS
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2/6/2010  1:48 PM
I do think it's important--right what if--but those words what if are the difference between good teams and bad. We couldve been conservative and taken the best player available at position of need to balance our team--we did not do that and we RUINED two years of making the team better.
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2/6/2010  1:59 PM
i hate brook lopez. he's a punk. and you want to talk about empty stats? dude plays for a 4-45 team. it's not all his fault, but it certainly means he isn't dominating much from the center position. andrew bogut or david lee or andrew bynum would NEVER have a record like that. i'm sorry, i see no evidence brook lopez is worthwhile at all. i can think of a handful of games we would not have won without gallinari this year. i'm fine with him over brook.

now obviously, to this point it looks like we wasted the 2009 draft. i have little faith in jordan hill and it's pretty obvious that donnie was caught off guard when stephen curry was taken by GSW. we should have taken jennings or lawson or traded down to take lawson later or something. we messed up the 09 draft. i think gallo from the 08 draft was a solid pick.

to be fair to donnie in both drafts the guy i thought they really needed (russell westbrook in 08 and stephen curry in 09) were off the board and he had no assets to move up, so i think we did what he felt was right.

to all draft "experts" jordan hill was the conservative pick - he was the top rated big man on the board, from the same conference as brook lopez. he has the athleticism to play in this system and he may get it eventually. jennings would have been a total gamble. milwaukee had nothing to lose.

if jennings came here and didn't pop he and d'antoni and walsh would all be under intense scrutiny. remember, jennings had plenty of problems with the media and maturity. i think it's probably helped him a lot to play in the middle of nowhere with one beat writer following the team. in new york, there would be 10 beat writers and four tv stations. it's a different environment. i think gallo was a great pick for that environment. don't know about jordan hill yet. i suspect we'll see more of him in march.

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2/6/2010  2:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:going for

C Brook Lopez--highly regarded as the best C prospect for that draft--couldve went as high as 2.

PG Ty Lawson--I know people will say jennings et al--but Ty Lawson was the conservative choice who had tremendous success in high tempo and was the high PER grade for PGs.

PF Dujuan Blair--enough with the cutsie picks---Dejuan Blair was the BPA at 29 and has proved ita nd will continue to prove it


Add these conservative solid based choices to our team and where is the team? Anyone from NY management want to answer? If Mark Jackson was coach--my bet is our picks would look like this.

- I still think we would have taken Gallinari for his size and potential alone. The thing is he would have been playing PF out of the gate and not camping on the 3 point line.

- Ty Lawson is playing on a veteran team as a backup. No way we would have reached on him at 8.

- Dejuan Blair would have been nice

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BRIGGS
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2/6/2010  3:24 PM
crzymdups wrote:i hate brook lopez. he's a punk. and you want to talk about empty stats? dude plays for a 4-45 team. it's not all his fault, but it certainly means he isn't dominating much from the center position. andrew bogut or david lee or andrew bynum would NEVER have a record like that. i'm sorry, i see no evidence brook lopez is worthwhile at all. i can think of a handful of games we would not have won without gallinari this year. i'm fine with him over brook.

now obviously, to this point it looks like we wasted the 2009 draft. i have little faith in jordan hill and it's pretty obvious that donnie was caught off guard when stephen curry was taken by GSW. we should have taken jennings or lawson or traded down to take lawson later or something. we messed up the 09 draft. i think gallo from the 08 draft was a solid pick.

to be fair to donnie in both drafts the guy i thought they really needed (russell westbrook in 08 and stephen curry in 09) were off the board and he had no assets to move up, so i think we did what he felt was right.

to all draft "experts" jordan hill was the conservative pick - he was the top rated big man on the board, from the same conference as brook lopez. he has the athleticism to play in this system and he may get it eventually. jennings would have been a total gamble. milwaukee had nothing to lose.

if jennings came here and didn't pop he and d'antoni and walsh would all be under intense scrutiny. remember, jennings had plenty of problems with the media and maturity. i think it's probably helped him a lot to play in the middle of nowhere with one beat writer following the team. in new york, there would be 10 beat writers and four tv stations. it's a different environment. i think gallo was a great pick for that environment. don't know about jordan hill yet. i suspect we'll see more of him in march.

I have a firm believe that if we had a Brook Lopez David Lee frontline--that we'd be a+ .500 team. Was Ty Lawson a reach at 8? If we were thinking the way DW said--we cant get picks wrong--I don't think Ty Lawson is a reach at a position of need. Is Branden Jennings better maybe Collison or any other PG--maybe--but Ty Lawson was the conservative pick. I don't dislike Jordan Hill but A. Hes no NBA C and B they shouldve used the pick to remove Curry if the decision was to sit the kid. You cant use a lottery pick on an upperclassmen than sit him on a bad team. Dejuam Blair was a no-brainer at the draft and has proven it already. We had someone high up on the Knicks BELIEVE that Douglas was a PG and that has turned out false--and they paid 3mm $ to find that out. Thats not saying he cant be a good player--but the lack of communication between management and the coach is also disturbing.

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2/6/2010  5:15 PM
I have to ask the question has Walsh & Danphoney been on the same page the last 2 yrs ?
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2/6/2010  6:20 PM
Briggs, you can make a case that Gallinari and Hill were, in fact, conservative picks.

Gallinari was not some unknown Euro "discovered" by the Knicks. He was considered to be an excellent offensive player (who has turned out to be a pretty good defender) who had a good, but not superstar, upside. He was considered to be a "safe" pick by many analysts, if I remember correctly-hardly a reach pick.

Hill, while not spectacular, was the best big man on the board according to the Knicks. He was a guy the Knicks knew to be "raw" but also a guy who had shown a history of consistent improvement as a college player, a great jumper, and shot blocking and rebounding ability.

Blair would have been a reach at 8. If we had gotten Curry at 8 the Knicks were said to be looking at forwards like Derrick Brown or DaJuan Summers, if I remember correctly.

Lopez would have been a conservative pick too- I agree with you on that.

I think the Knicks would have taken Holiday over Lawson, if they had decided to go small.

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2/6/2010  6:59 PM
Why talk about conservative picks? Didn't we have issues in the past cuz the Knicks didn't roll the dice and go for a high upside player after missing out on the guy they wanted? I say they did that this time in taking Hill. His upside is high since he's still raw but shows so much already. He has some really tough to teach skills. Sweet stroke out to 20 ft, turnaround jumper. I think he will grow and learn how to use the athletic ability he has and once we have a PG that can run the break he'll show how effective he can be finishing on the break. He doesn't have great hands, but he can block shots and is active on the boards. I really think we got a good player who hasn't come close to his full potential.
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2/6/2010  7:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2010  7:04 PM

Yeah, I don't want to talk about conservative pricks either.

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