AnubisADL wrote:

"I can opt out this summer or I can opt in, which means I'll be back another year (for $17.69 million)," said Stoudemire, speaking after the morning shootaround in preparation for Wednesday night's game against Denver. "That's definitely an option. I'm leaning more toward that right now. Maybe opting in. ... (That would be to) buy time. See how we do. ... I think we got our game back on track. A three-game winning streak."

If Stoudemire indeed wants to stay, that could reduce the chances of the Suns dealing him by the Feb. 18 trade deadline. Stoudemire, making $16.38 million this season, believes the chances of him being moved are "50-50."

Stoudemire and his agent, Happy Walters, have been in talks with the Suns about a contract extension.

"I'm pretty sure they're going to offer a deal here pretty soon," Stoudemire said.

Stoudemire said he believes the next step is for a deal to be offered, and how that goes will factor into whether he might be dealt. Stoudemire, though, isn't expecting an extension offer for maximum money.

"I don't know if the Suns are really willing to pay maximum deals period, whether it's me or whoever," Stoudemire said of what he believes is the financial situation of the team. "That's just how I feel about it. We'll see how it plays out."

Stoudemire said it's too early to say whether he would be willing to sign an extension this season. He was noncommittal on whether he would be willing to sign a deal that wasn't for maximum money.

Source: http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/03/amare-stoudemire-leans-toward-not-opting-out-of-contract/

I think if they offer him a near max deal he takes it. I suspect his agent is gauging his interest around the league. He cant be stupid enough to take his chances with the next CBA. I think he would opt in and then resign.

if he doesn't wanna take any chances w/the next CBA, then he'll opt OUT & sign a new contract now.

AnubisADL wrote:Seems teams arent making great offers for guys like Bosh or Amare.

I see Amare ending up in NJ.

Bosh in NY, MIA, or CHI.

Lebron in Cleveland.

Wade in MIA or CHI

It is going to suck to to be Toronto and Phoenix this summer.

where are you getting that eams won't be making great offers to bosh?

djsunyc wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Seems teams arent making great offers for guys like Bosh or Amare.

I see Amare ending up in NJ.

Bosh in NY, MIA, or CHI.

Lebron in Cleveland.

Wade in MIA or CHI

It is going to suck to to be Toronto and Phoenix this summer.

where are you getting that eams won't be making great offers to bosh?

I got it from the fact that Colangelo says he wants to keep Bosh until the summer. That tells me he isnt getting good offers. Keeping Bosh until the summer is suicidal. You got 3 teams with the cash to sign him outright. I just dont think Colangelo is that stupid unless he was being offered garbage.

nyk4ever wrote:Amare is a one-dimesional player.. he's very low on my list of players I want. Wouldn't complain if we got him because he's better than anyone we have, but I can see many better ways to spend our money than to spend it on a guy who just doesn't want to rebound or play D.

i dunno about that nyk, amar'e is looking a lot better to me than some other cats:

2009-10 Statistics
PPG 21.0
RPG 8.50
APG 1.0
EFF + 21.55

he's 24th in the league in rebounding, not the greatest, but look at the list of who's ahead and can you seriously consider more than a few of these folks actually being a better overall addition to the knicks in terms of game presence and overall efficiency? and im not talking about fantasyland scenarios either - there are only a few people on this list that the knicks can actually make a play for. i listed who i think may be available.

PLAYER NAME,TEAM NAME GP MPG OFF ORPG DEF DRPG REB RPG RP40
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 49 35.1 178 3.6 474 9.7 652 13.3 18.2
2 Marcus Camby , LAC 48 31.4 157 3.3 423 8.8 580 12.1 18.5
3 Joakim Noah , CHI 46 32.7 176 3.8 376 8.2 552 12.0 17.6 - may be able to get
4 Zach Randolph , MEM 48 37.4 211 4.4 344 7.2 555 11.6 14.8
5 David Lee , NYK 48 37.0 120 2.5 430 9.0 550 11.5 14.9
6 Chris Bosh , TOR 50 36.0 152 3.0 420 8.4 572 11.4 15.2 - may be able to get
7 Gerald Wallace , CHA 46 42.0 95 2.1 410 8.9 505 11.0 12.5
8 Tim Duncan , SAS 44 32.5 146 3.3 328 7.5 474 10.8 15.9
9 Carlos Boozer , UTA 45 35.0 86 1.9 396 8.8 482 10.7 14.7 - may be able to get
10 Brendan Haywood ,WAS 47 33.0 195 4.1 291 6.2 486 10.3 15.0 - may be able to get
11 Andrew Bogut , MIL 41 32.8 121 3.0 301 7.3 422 10.3 15.1
12 Al Jefferson , MIN 47 33.6 118 2.5 345 7.3 463 9.9 14.1
13 Lamar Odom , LAL 50 31.1 114 2.3 372 7.4 486 9.7 15.0
14 Emeka Okafor , NOH 49 30.5 165 3.4 308 6.3 473 9.7 15.2
15 Samuel Dalembert,PHI 48 26.0 142 3.0 320 6.7 462 9.6 17.7
15 Marc Gasol , MEM 48 35.3 140 2.9 322 6.7 462 9.6 13.1
17 Al Horford , ATL 48 34.5 128 2.7 328 6.8 456 9.5 13.2 - may be able to get
18 Kenyon Martin , DEN 46 35.0 110 2.4 317 6.9 427 9.3 12.7
19 Ben Wallace , DET 47 30.3 180 3.8 251 5.3 431 9.2 14.5
20 Chris Kaman , LAC 43 36.6 110 2.6 284 6.6 394 9.2 12.0
21 Brook Lopez , NJN 48 36.4 157 3.3 282 5.9 439 9.1 12.1
22 Jason Thompson,SAC 47 32.6 146 3.1 261 5.6 407 8.7 12.7
23 Luis Scola , HOU 48 30.7 99 2.1 315 6.6 414 8.6 13.5
24 Amar'e Stoudemire,PHX51 34.7 122 2.4 314 6.2 436 8.5 11.8

jimimou wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Amare is a one-dimesional player.. he's very low on my list of players I want. Wouldn't complain if we got him because he's better than anyone we have, but I can see many better ways to spend our money than to spend it on a guy who just doesn't want to rebound or play D.

i dunno about that nyk, amar'e is looking a lot better to me than some other cats:

2009-10 Statistics
PPG 21.0
RPG 8.50
APG 1.0
EFF + 21.55

he's 24th in the league in rebounding, not the greatest, but look at the list of who's ahead and can you seriously consider more than a few of these folks actually being a better overall addition to the knicks in terms of game presence and overall efficiency? and im not talking about fantasyland scenarios either - there are only a few people on this list that the knicks can actually make a play for. i listed who i think may be available.

PLAYER NAME,TEAM NAME GP MPG OFF ORPG DEF DRPG REB RPG RP40
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 49 35.1 178 3.6 474 9.7 652 13.3 18.2
2 Marcus Camby , LAC 48 31.4 157 3.3 423 8.8 580 12.1 18.5
3 Joakim Noah , CHI 46 32.7 176 3.8 376 8.2 552 12.0 17.6 - may be able to get
4 Zach Randolph , MEM 48 37.4 211 4.4 344 7.2 555 11.6 14.8
5 David Lee , NYK 48 37.0 120 2.5 430 9.0 550 11.5 14.9
6 Chris Bosh , TOR 50 36.0 152 3.0 420 8.4 572 11.4 15.2 - may be able to get
7 Gerald Wallace , CHA 46 42.0 95 2.1 410 8.9 505 11.0 12.5
8 Tim Duncan , SAS 44 32.5 146 3.3 328 7.5 474 10.8 15.9
9 Carlos Boozer , UTA 45 35.0 86 1.9 396 8.8 482 10.7 14.7 - may be able to get
10 Brendan Haywood ,WAS 47 33.0 195 4.1 291 6.2 486 10.3 15.0 - may be able to get
11 Andrew Bogut , MIL 41 32.8 121 3.0 301 7.3 422 10.3 15.1
12 Al Jefferson , MIN 47 33.6 118 2.5 345 7.3 463 9.9 14.1
13 Lamar Odom , LAL 50 31.1 114 2.3 372 7.4 486 9.7 15.0
14 Emeka Okafor , NOH 49 30.5 165 3.4 308 6.3 473 9.7 15.2
15 Samuel Dalembert,PHI 48 26.0 142 3.0 320 6.7 462 9.6 17.7
15 Marc Gasol , MEM 48 35.3 140 2.9 322 6.7 462 9.6 13.1
17 Al Horford , ATL 48 34.5 128 2.7 328 6.8 456 9.5 13.2 - may be able to get
18 Kenyon Martin , DEN 46 35.0 110 2.4 317 6.9 427 9.3 12.7
19 Ben Wallace , DET 47 30.3 180 3.8 251 5.3 431 9.2 14.5
20 Chris Kaman , LAC 43 36.6 110 2.6 284 6.6 394 9.2 12.0
21 Brook Lopez , NJN 48 36.4 157 3.3 282 5.9 439 9.1 12.1
22 Jason Thompson,SAC 47 32.6 146 3.1 261 5.6 407 8.7 12.7
23 Luis Scola , HOU 48 30.7 99 2.1 315 6.6 414 8.6 13.5
24 Amar'e Stoudemire,PHX51 34.7 122 2.4 314 6.2 436 8.5 11.8

the problem i have with amare is that yes, he's 24th, but with his athletic gifts he should be in the top10 without a doubt in my mind. So if he has the athletic gifts then why isn't he? probably because he doesn't care enough.

i mean look at his career numbers, has amare really gotten better? he's basically been the same 22/8.5 guy his whole career.

nyk4ever wrote:

jimimou wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Amare is a one-dimesional player.. he's very low on my list of players I want. Wouldn't complain if we got him because he's better than anyone we have, but I can see many better ways to spend our money than to spend it on a guy who just doesn't want to rebound or play D.

i dunno about that nyk, amar'e is looking a lot better to me than some other cats:

2009-10 Statistics
PPG 21.0
RPG 8.50
APG 1.0
EFF + 21.55

he's 24th in the league in rebounding, not the greatest, but look at the list of who's ahead and can you seriously consider more than a few of these folks actually being a better overall addition to the knicks in terms of game presence and overall efficiency? and im not talking about fantasyland scenarios either - there are only a few people on this list that the knicks can actually make a play for. i listed who i think may be available.

PLAYER NAME,TEAM NAME GP MPG OFF ORPG DEF DRPG REB RPG RP40
1 Dwight Howard , ORL 49 35.1 178 3.6 474 9.7 652 13.3 18.2
2 Marcus Camby , LAC 48 31.4 157 3.3 423 8.8 580 12.1 18.5
3 Joakim Noah , CHI 46 32.7 176 3.8 376 8.2 552 12.0 17.6 - may be able to get
4 Zach Randolph , MEM 48 37.4 211 4.4 344 7.2 555 11.6 14.8
5 David Lee , NYK 48 37.0 120 2.5 430 9.0 550 11.5 14.9
6 Chris Bosh , TOR 50 36.0 152 3.0 420 8.4 572 11.4 15.2 - may be able to get
7 Gerald Wallace , CHA 46 42.0 95 2.1 410 8.9 505 11.0 12.5
8 Tim Duncan , SAS 44 32.5 146 3.3 328 7.5 474 10.8 15.9
9 Carlos Boozer , UTA 45 35.0 86 1.9 396 8.8 482 10.7 14.7 - may be able to get
10 Brendan Haywood ,WAS 47 33.0 195 4.1 291 6.2 486 10.3 15.0 - may be able to get
11 Andrew Bogut , MIL 41 32.8 121 3.0 301 7.3 422 10.3 15.1
12 Al Jefferson , MIN 47 33.6 118 2.5 345 7.3 463 9.9 14.1
13 Lamar Odom , LAL 50 31.1 114 2.3 372 7.4 486 9.7 15.0
14 Emeka Okafor , NOH 49 30.5 165 3.4 308 6.3 473 9.7 15.2
15 Samuel Dalembert,PHI 48 26.0 142 3.0 320 6.7 462 9.6 17.7
15 Marc Gasol , MEM 48 35.3 140 2.9 322 6.7 462 9.6 13.1
17 Al Horford , ATL 48 34.5 128 2.7 328 6.8 456 9.5 13.2 - may be able to get
18 Kenyon Martin , DEN 46 35.0 110 2.4 317 6.9 427 9.3 12.7
19 Ben Wallace , DET 47 30.3 180 3.8 251 5.3 431 9.2 14.5
20 Chris Kaman , LAC 43 36.6 110 2.6 284 6.6 394 9.2 12.0
21 Brook Lopez , NJN 48 36.4 157 3.3 282 5.9 439 9.1 12.1
22 Jason Thompson,SAC 47 32.6 146 3.1 261 5.6 407 8.7 12.7
23 Luis Scola , HOU 48 30.7 99 2.1 315 6.6 414 8.6 13.5
24 Amar'e Stoudemire,PHX51 34.7 122 2.4 314 6.2 436 8.5 11.8

the problem i have with amare is that yes, he's 24th, but with his athletic gifts he should be in the top10 without a doubt in my mind. So if he has the athletic gifts then why isn't he? probably because he doesn't care enough.

i mean look at his career numbers, has amare really gotten better? he's basically been the same 22/8.5 guy his whole career.

what jumps off the page to me is his EFF - that tells me when amare is on the floor, the team generally wins. and to me, whether he is top ten or not is not the issue, b/c btwn him and Lee you'll get 20+ boards a night. so amare to me doesnt need to be top ten, he needs to be a piece that meshes. and, he undeniably creates a presence in the middle, which the knicks dont have. finally, he gives you 21 points a night consistently. add that all up, and i think he makes a great piece and addition....more so than the other guys i tagged as available.

AnubisADL wrote:

In the Stoudemire saga, all of the following are true:

A. The Suns are trying to trade him;

B. The Suns are trying to sign him to a long-term extension;

C. Stoudemire is talking about "opting in" to the last year of his contract.

Let's break it down:

The Suns are still in active trade talks for Amare, with discussions initiated by both the Suns and other teams. The latest is that the Suns have talked to the Philadelphia 76ers about a swap of Stoudemire plus filler for Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert.

While there are a lot of deals the Suns wouldn't do, this is one in which they're interested. It's the Sixers that are holding up the process, I'm told. While nothing's imminent, if Philadelphia GM Ed Stefanski sees an opportunity to unload Dalembert and thinks Stoudemire is the best player he can get, things could get hot quickly.

At the same time, the Suns are planning to make Stoudemire a contract offer in the next few days, according to a source close to the situation. As in every contract negotiation, the contract terms (years and dollar amount) are the main obstacles -- while Stoudemire might want a max contract, that's not what the Suns want to offer.

But I've been told there's another snag: Stoudemire wants a commitment from owner Robert Sarver that the Suns will continue to spend to get back into contention. Stoudemire doesn't want to commit to a team that's going to be in the lottery in future years. So unless the Suns blow Stoudemire away with their offer, they'll reach an agreement only if he is persuaded that the Suns are committed to further spending.

Another twist: Stoudemire came out Wednesday claiming that he was leaning toward not exercising the early termination option on his contract. While he talked about the financial benefits of doing so (he's due $17.7 million next season in the final year of his contract), there's another reason Stoudemire went public about this: He wants some control over where he might be traded to. Philly -- a struggling team that sees Stoudemire as more an asset with a potentially expiring contract than as a cornerstone -- would likely be less interested if Stoudemire were planning to play out his contract. Therefore, when Stoudemire heard about the possible trade with the 76ers, he expressed his reservations about being traded to Philadelphia by going public with his musings about staying with his contract. In other words, he's sending a warning to teams that might see him as nothing more than an expiring contract.

That aside, it seems likely Stoudemire will exercise his option to terminate his contract. If he doesn't, he's betting that he can (A) stay healthy and (B) fare well under the next collective bargaining agreement, which might be the rules of the game that shape Stoudemire's next contract if he doesn't exercise his option this year. Given his injury history and the determination of the owners to tighten up the next CBA, that's a huge risk.

Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatch-100204

I guess his comment was posturing by him and his agent. He doesn't want to be looked at as an expiring contract.

not posturing, what he is saying is...dont trade me to a team that sux where i will have no future. trade me to a team thats already a winner (ie: a place like miami if wade stays) and i'll be fine.