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note to Lil Nate & Larry: "you are no JJ Redick"
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TMS
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1/31/2010  7:01 PM
i've gotten on Nate's case in the past about being an unabashed showboat & a knucklehead & i think he's deserved those criticisms, but i never thought he should have been benched for 14 games nor do i feel like Larry Hughes deserves to be banished for struggling through some shooting woes when guys like Duhon are seeing max minutes through similar struggles he's having.

i just find it a little confusing why people get on Nate & Larry Hughes' case about wanting more playing time, but guys like JJ Redick u never hear about... given he plays on another team but the impression i get from people when they talk about Reddick is that he's a team first guy all the way & an unselfish basketball player... at least Nate & Larry have both shown themselves to be good basketball players in years past, if anything i would think those guys would get more of a benefit of the doubt for not being happy w/having no role than someone like Reddick, who hasn't shown much of anything his entire career... how is this any different than Nate Robinson's case earlier this season when he was riding pine?

It was reported on January 31, 2008, that Redick asked his agent, Arn Tellem, to see about a possible trade. "We want to see what's out there," Redick told the Orlando Sentinel, "I want to stay here, but it's been frustrating." Magic coach Stan Van Gundy responded: "Right now it would be very hard to fit him in. I know it's also hard to keep sitting him on the bench... Should we be playing him? Right now we're going good so we probably won't disrupt things."[18] The Orlando Magic confirmed Van Gundy's comments by stating that Redick would not receive more minutes or a trade before the Feb. 21st trade deadline.[19] In the last game of the season, with the playoff seed locked up, Redick received more time than he had all season and led the Magic with 18 points, for the first time in his career.
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1/31/2010  7:11 PM
Its just New York man. If a player sneezes your going to hear about it. The media is crazy.
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1/31/2010  9:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2010  9:48 PM
TMS wrote:i've gotten on Nate's case in the past about being an unabashed showboat & a knucklehead & i think he's deserved those criticisms, but i never thought he should have been benched for 14 games nor do i feel like Larry Hughes deserves to be banished for struggling through some shooting woes when guys like Duhon are seeing max minutes through similar struggles he's having.

i just find it a little confusing why people get on Nate & Larry Hughes' case about wanting more playing time, but guys like JJ Redick u never hear about... given he plays on another team but the impression i get from people when they talk about Reddick is that he's a team first guy all the way & an unselfish basketball player... at least Nate & Larry have both shown themselves to be good basketball players in years past, if anything i would think those guys would get more of a benefit of the doubt for not being happy w/having no role than someone like Reddick, who hasn't shown much of anything his entire career... how is this any different than Nate Robinson's case earlier this season when he was riding pine?

It was reported on January 31, 2008, that Redick asked his agent, Arn Tellem, to see about a possible trade. "We want to see what's out there," Redick told the Orlando Sentinel, "I want to stay here, but it's been frustrating." Magic coach Stan Van Gundy responded: "Right now it would be very hard to fit him in. I know it's also hard to keep sitting him on the bench... Should we be playing him? Right now we're going good so we probably won't disrupt things."[18] The Orlando Magic confirmed Van Gundy's comments by stating that Redick would not receive more minutes or a trade before the Feb. 21st trade deadline.[19] In the last game of the season, with the playoff seed locked up, Redick received more time than he had all season and led the Magic with 18 points, for the first time in his career.

Aside from the media, Nate is truly a publicity whore. He has made his name known nationally, and he has had some pretty visible unfavorable incidents that found their way to ESPN. Not saying it's right, but that is what happens when you try to market your name to the degree Nate does. I think another thing that draws national attention to himself is the way he acts on the floor. He's a showman. When you're a showman people notice you.

In regards to Larry, it is more the media than anything else, however there were some incidents where he kept his name in the paper(coming out so strong against Pringles when he was benched, his constant telling the papers LeBron isn't coming to NY or he knows what LeBron is doing because he's his friend...)so people see that and they form an opinion on both of these guys.

JJR is basically Steve Kerr when he was on the Bulls-playing wise. He hasn't drawn a lot of attention to anything he does and honestly he isn't the talent that Nate or Larry are.

That my opinion anyway.

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1/31/2010  10:00 PM
joec32033 wrote:
TMS wrote:i've gotten on Nate's case in the past about being an unabashed showboat & a knucklehead & i think he's deserved those criticisms, but i never thought he should have been benched for 14 games nor do i feel like Larry Hughes deserves to be banished for struggling through some shooting woes when guys like Duhon are seeing max minutes through similar struggles he's having.

i just find it a little confusing why people get on Nate & Larry Hughes' case about wanting more playing time, but guys like JJ Redick u never hear about... given he plays on another team but the impression i get from people when they talk about Reddick is that he's a team first guy all the way & an unselfish basketball player... at least Nate & Larry have both shown themselves to be good basketball players in years past, if anything i would think those guys would get more of a benefit of the doubt for not being happy w/having no role than someone like Reddick, who hasn't shown much of anything his entire career... how is this any different than Nate Robinson's case earlier this season when he was riding pine?

It was reported on January 31, 2008, that Redick asked his agent, Arn Tellem, to see about a possible trade. "We want to see what's out there," Redick told the Orlando Sentinel, "I want to stay here, but it's been frustrating." Magic coach Stan Van Gundy responded: "Right now it would be very hard to fit him in. I know it's also hard to keep sitting him on the bench... Should we be playing him? Right now we're going good so we probably won't disrupt things."[18] The Orlando Magic confirmed Van Gundy's comments by stating that Redick would not receive more minutes or a trade before the Feb. 21st trade deadline.[19] In the last game of the season, with the playoff seed locked up, Redick received more time than he had all season and led the Magic with 18 points, for the first time in his career.

Aside from the media, Nate is truly a publicity whore. He has made his name known nationally, and he has had some pretty visible unfavorable incidents that found their way to ESPN. Not saying it's right, but that is what happens when you try to market your name to the degree Nate does. I think another thing that draws national attention to himself is the way he acts on the floor. He's a showman. When you're a showman people notice you.

In regards to Larry, it is more the media than anything else, however there were some incidents where he kept his name in the paper(coming out so strong against Pringles when he was benched, his constant telling the papers LeBron isn't coming to NY or he knows what LeBron is doing because he's his friend...)so people see that and they form an opinion on both of these guys.

JJR is basically Steve Kerr when he was on the Bulls-playing wise. He hasn't drawn a lot of attention to anything he does and honestly he isn't the talent that Nate or Larry are.

That my opinion anyway.

i think Nate & Larry have the reputation of being selfish players so they get less of a pass from Knicks fans... no one gives a sheit about JJ Reddick but if he were on the Knicks & had asked to be traded i still wonder if he would have gotten the same kinda comments thrown his way.

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1/31/2010  10:19 PM
This is not about their attitude but about disproportion of the attitude and talent.
Both are losers with some skills. Cannot make anybody on the team better, are inconsistent, and having a big mouse.
They are useless for any decent organization.
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1/31/2010  10:22 PM
To be fair JJ has been bitching since his rookie year. When I lived in Orlando people would complain about him and his bitching on the talk shows. Never gain national attention. Knowing the hypocrite that Stern is, this will not go any further.
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1/31/2010  10:30 PM
Pharzeone wrote:To be fair JJ has been bitching since his rookie year. When I lived in Orlando people would complain about him and his bitching on the talk shows. Never gain national attention. Knowing the hypocrite that Stern is, this will not go any further.

did not know people in ORL weren't happy about it, thanks for that... at least now i know it's not just a double standard thing

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1/31/2010  10:30 PM
arkrud wrote:This is not about their attitude but about disproportion of the attitude and talent.
Both are losers with some skills. Cannot make anybody on the team better, are inconsistent, and having a big mouse.
They are useless for any decent organization.

Nate & Hughes have a lot more talent than JJ Reddick IMO

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1/31/2010  10:36 PM
TMS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:To be fair JJ has been bitching since his rookie year. When I lived in Orlando people would complain about him and his bitching on the talk shows. Never gain national attention. Knowing the hypocrite that Stern is, this will not go any further.

did not know people in ORL weren't happy about it, thanks for that... at least now i know it's not just a double standard thing

just jumpers redick... unc and umd fans were not nice to the guy... he is getting more mins this season though.

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1/31/2010  10:44 PM
he was ORL's leading scorer again tonight with 17.. dunno why i'm telling you, I kinda don't care.
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2/1/2010  12:11 PM
JJ has had to get quicker and play better defense.

He is finally getting a chance to play. Somtimes it takes a few years for players to get up to par. He was a high draft pick and big expectations.

They signed Hedu few years back and he got sent down. Courtney Lee developed faster than him. He was frustrated, but its working now.

These are the type of players we need to find. Identify talent with players who get stuck behind better players.

With cap flex we can take on these guys. Thats what free agency is all about.

In the past overpaid big named players on the down slope (AKA: Starphuch), now we must identify those players who can produce with minutes. Not an easy job mind you, but very very profitable. Adam Morrison type players who get stuck. (Not adam BTW)

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2/1/2010  12:42 PM
Stan Van Gundy must have a vendetta against Redick.
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2/1/2010  1:09 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Stan Van Gundy must have a vendetta against Redick.

personal vendetta.

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2/1/2010  1:09 PM
I have no problem with a player saying they want to play and expressing that they are unhappy about it. As long as the guy comes to work everyday and is ready when called and does not go overboard with his expression of dissatisfaction, then the team should be able to deal with it. You cannot ask a guy to be happy sitting on the bench. In fact, if a guy is happy just sitting on the bench, you probably don't want him on your team, i.e. JJ1.
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2/1/2010  5:10 PM
TheGame wrote:I have no problem with a player saying they want to play and expressing that they are unhappy about it.

apparently plenty of guys around here have a problem with it.

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