TMS wrote:hmm, i also remember some people talking about Marcus Williams as being the best PG in college basketball not too long ago.

Jaycee Carroll too.

Knixkik wrote:Fredette has amazed me the last couple of years. He's from my home-town area and i used to play ball with him at camp and coached him one year. He was a solid all around player but i never saw him as a D1 player, let alone an nba prospect. In fact, there were a couple players at the camp that weren't D1 players either, but were better than him at the time. That being said, as good as he is i still have reservations about him, and i hope he makes it, but i can't see him being an nba player. I hope i'm wrong tho and would certainly love to see him on the Knicks with a second round pick. Definitely not 1st round tho.

Guys like Mark Price Steve Nash and John Stockton didn't exactly look like sure fire caliber NBA players either white men cant jump so sometimes a guy like this is hard to see.

I wonder what BYU's record would nbe if they swapped out for John Wall---now that doenst mean anything to NBA--John Wall will be an excellent high caliber guard in the nBA--Im not stupid but this kid has an it factor that wont be measured until later on.

TMS wrote:the only reason i bring up Wise's name is because based off what i saw from him last year, he'd be a good pickup that could fill our needs at the PG spot that we can target with one of our 2nd round picks... i brought up names like Taj Gibson & Darren Collison last year for similar reasons, i thought they would have filled areas of need on this team.

haven't caught any ARI games this year so if Wise has struggled with his shooting then no longer having Jordan Hill & Chase Budinger around to play with might have a lot to do with it because he's trying to do too much... Wise isn't a high volume scorer but he gets to the foul line a TON & makes his FT's, & his on ball defense is very good regardless of what you might have seen in this 1 game vs. BYU... he's an awesome dribble penetrator that's fearless going to the hole.

based off what i see from his statlines this year looks to me like he's been playing well... his shooting % has gone down but he's been scoring in double figures almost every game & his rebounds & steals have gone up from last year in less mpg... every game the Wildcats have lost this year, Wise has struggled shooting... that tells me he's a vital part of their team & when he gets it going, they usually win games, unlike some players on our team that put up stats that don't equate to W's.

have never seen Jimmer Fredette play a game so i can't comment on who would be a better fit... all i know is John Wall is gonna be a star in the NBA & Nic Wise would be a player i'd want on our team anyday.

The only reason I brought up Nic Wise was because the clip was against AZ and the coach said they had no answer for him.{nothing against Nic Wise or anyone who likes him] I really did not think that this kid would come out but I cant imagine a much better PG prospect for this particular team and coach[lets take john wall off the list he is going pick 1-2-3] A guy who has good size and strength with tremendous long range shooting ability great vision good speed with the ball incredible IQ mental and physical toughness and right now he is showing he can not only lead a team but will them to win with his skills. If I traded John Wall to BYU for Freddete BYU would not be 21-2--he doesnt have lottery picks all over his team.

TMS wrote:just curious, what about Fredette's game other than his shooting would lead you to believe he's the best PG in college? all u can really see in this clip is him knocking down perimeter J's... do u think he projects as a Steve Nash/John Stockton, or is he more JJ Redick? i just ask cuz i know nothing about this kid's game.

i have seen John Wall play in a few games this year, & he looks like a sure fire star to me... it's true that he's got guys like Patterson & Cousins to play with who will probably go mid-late lottery, but u can't honestly watch Kentucky games & tell me John Wall isn't the star of that team... he makes that team go... i liked Patterson from last year & Cousins has impressed me this year... Cousins looks like a beast down low & made Ogilvy his bitch the other day vs. Vandy... wish we had a pick to take either one of those guys, then we could let David Lee walk w/a clear conscience & pair either one of them up with Jordan Hill in our frontcourt.

It's pretty much every element to his game as a PG. Great vision leader good speed with the ball takes care of the ball IQ strength driving ability/ability to get to the foul line solid passer winner tremendous long and mid range shooter solid defender solid rebounder from the 1. I would say he is comparable to Steve Nash. If you look up Steve Nash's numbers at Santa Clara his sophmore and junior year--they nearly mirror Fredette's.