I'm sure the Knicks would do this trade in a heart beat but would the Hornets bite?

I think not extending Nate or Lee when we had the chance for the sake of 2010 is going to bite us. We could have easily moved Nate for an expiring and a pick and now he has to approve the trade and in all likely hood we don't have cap space for him next year. Off season S&T? It would have been taking a chance on Lee, but we could have certainly moved him with the way he's been playing. If he does go, at least we can look forward to some D...

I like Dougie but... you know, it doesn't really matter, this comes down to Coach not playing rookies, doesn't matter who. He's trying to get Duhon that next contract

Ira wrote:I'd do it. I'd throw in a second round pick if needed.

Me too. If we ever figured out a way to get Darren Collison, I'd consider the PG problem solved...

TMS wrote:i doubt NO would give him up tho, especially for a player who might end up being a half year rental...

I'd love Collison too but this sums it up... New Orleans is looking to have a bunch of cheap quality assets... swapping one for Nate is not good business in NOLA

TheGame wrote:Why would New Orleans trade a solid pg making a rookie salary for Nate, whom they would have to pay $3-$4 million next year. New Orleans has been cutting salary lately.

I think the most you can get for Nate is a late 1st round pick. I would look to deal him to a team like the Lakers or Miami. You might be able to talk them into giving you their 1st and 2nd round picks (or swap 2nd round picks).

Because Nate would more than pay for himself with the crowd he would draw and merchandise he would sell.
But that said, Nate is not going to accept a trade to a non big market playoff team. (Unless they tell him he will be part of the face of the franchise and if they are in a good size market).

TheGame wrote:Why would New Orleans trade a solid pg making a rookie salary for Nate, whom they would have to pay $3-$4 million next year. New Orleans has been cutting salary lately.

I think the most you can get for Nate is a late 1st round pick. I would look to deal him to a team like the Lakers or Miami. You might be able to talk them into giving you their 1st and 2nd round picks (or swap 2nd round picks).

i agree... we should be looking to trade him to a team like the Lakers, they could easily use Nate's scoring ability off the bench... he's way better than Jordan Farmar... there are always teams looking to sell off late 1st round picks for cash in every draft, we could throw in some cash considerations to get a deal done if that's what it takes... i don't see us trading him to MIA only because we don't want to help any EC teams get better particularly a team with 1 of the potential FA's that we might want to target in free agency (we're obviously not gonna get D Wade but why make it any harder?)

WindsorPl wrote:I suggested this trade a while back. Only way I see Hornets trading Collison.

Mobley + cash to New Orleans for Collison, Mo Peterson and Devin Brown.
Hornets are trying to save money and Peterson is due 6.2 Mill next year, but he is a servicable Sg that can play D and shoot the 3.
Collison will never start for that team and they have a back up in Bobby Brown.
Collison has been learning behind CP3, he is already better than Duhon.

But if the Knicks are not taking back salary, then I don't see Collison here.

Bobby Brown plays on the Clips... right now Collison is their only real PG backup to CP3.

WindsorPl wrote:

TMS wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:I suggested this trade a while back. Only way I see Hornets trading Collison.

Mobley + cash to New Orleans for Collison, Mo Peterson and Devin Brown.
Hornets are trying to save money and Peterson is due 6.2 Mill next year, but he is a servicable Sg that can play D and shoot the 3.
Collison will never start for that team and they have a back up in Bobby Brown.
Collison has been learning behind CP3, he is already better than Duhon.

But if the Knicks are not taking back salary, then I don't see Collison here.

Bobby Brown plays on the Clips... right now Collison is their only real PG backup to CP3.

Right and Devin Brown was traded to Chicago. Like I said, the proposed trade was made few weeks ago.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33571
But the underlying point is still valid, in order to get Collison, the Knicks have to take back salary.

i don't see the Hornets trading Collison either way right now unless you're offering them an upgrade to backup CP3 that will be cheap next season... right now they're clinging onto the #8 seed in the West with the Rockets & Grizzlies hot on their heels... Collison fits perfectly into that role, they need someone who can orchestrate to spell CP3, not another scorer, which is why i don't think Nate is a great fit for that team... plus his free agency pending for next season leaves a gap that will need to be filled after the season is over... Duhon might interest them but he's also a pending free agent & not an upgrade over Collison, but i think they could probably re-sign him for a lot cheaper than Nate... but you're right, unless we're taking back some significant salary there's no use in discussing any trade possibilities for Collison at this point.

TheGame wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

TheGame wrote:Why would New Orleans trade a solid pg making a rookie salary for Nate, whom they would have to pay $3-$4 million next year. New Orleans has been cutting salary lately.

I think the most you can get for Nate is a late 1st round pick. I would look to deal him to a team like the Lakers or Miami. You might be able to talk them into giving you their 1st and 2nd round picks (or swap 2nd round picks).

Because Nate would more than pay for himself with the crowd he would draw and merchandise he would sell.
But that said, Nate is not going to accept a trade to a non big market playoff team. (Unless they tell him he will be part of the face of the franchise and if they are in a good size market).

New Orleans is not going to invest like that in Nate and they certainly have no interest in playing the 5'9" Nate with the 6" Chris Paul. New Orleans is in shed salary mode and Nate is too much a risk for them to take the chance in investing with him longterm, especially if it means give up a solid young pg that is giving you great insurance in Chris Paul gets hurt or decides to leave via FA in two years.

Consider this, where is N.O. going with Chris Paul? There is talk of them trading him, I mean talk about a financial savings. Again, I don't think Nate is going there, but saving money on Paul, getting some cheap players back and letting Nate go off like A.I. over there would bring in more fans. N.O. doesn't have the money to give Paul what he wants and needs. They are good enough to not get a lotto pick, but no where near being able to win it all, so you think Paul is going to stay there?

I really don't think there is much risk with Nate. A playoff team would always trade for him for the right salary and right now he can be signed quite reasonably. I don't see the risk in trying. (Which is why we should have signed him cheap when we had the chance, then we could get more for him by trading him to a team with a better 1st round pick coming up).

Nate is a draw and a very talented player (on the right team - ok).

I agree about Collison being the better solution. But often it's not about winning, it's about the "attraction".