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*Its a wonder and minor miracle NYK don't lose every single game this season with CHRIS DUHON starting
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1/30/2010  10:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2010  4:07 PM
Yep that is just about how I feel about Chris
Sorry I rooted for Duhon last yr & this season

But he gets too much $$$ and I don't buy the confidence thing he just sux
he is wasted living space. Its a wonder Knicks hasnt lost more games in
each of Duhon's starts since the beginning of season.

He plays with no GUTs, no GLORY, no attitude & no heart or aggressiveness.
He is all about his shot when he got no shot he can't operate or do anything
else on court for teammates.

Furthermore Duhon is soft soft soft mush mush mush
I've never seen such a soft Knick. We used to complain David Lee was soft?
Duhon takes the WWE and Heavyweight Title when it comes to MarshmelloSoft 101
I hate SOFT NBAers.

Why is this guy on our team ?

I've had it with Duhon, I dont care for Knicks whom bow their head and can't
shake it loose to push his game harder to overcome his problems. He wants no
part of end of games, end of quarters or anything to do with clutch play as
a PG.

Duhon cant even guard Earl Boykins OR Get a rebound over a 5 foot 4 guy
Pathetic.
You think some of the PGs we had last 2-3 yrs here was bad ?

PG makes everything go and this guy gotta go!!!

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1/31/2010  1:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2010  1:20 AM
DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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1/31/2010  2:22 AM
D'Antoni does not take on an authoritarian role or communicate expectations of professionalism to his players. That is something that he expects to be a preexisting character trait in his players or something that will be communicated by a chosen veteran on the team. The chosen veteran on the Knicks is Duhon. So as much as he sucks @ss he will get to play unless Walsh somehow gets Steve Nash or some other high character point in NY.
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1/31/2010  4:13 PM
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

Don't get why we're blaming this all on NATE ROBINSON
Nate was hurt a game or 2 while being in rotation. Nate hasnt led the Knicks to ALL their losses. Plus we lose and win as a team.
Stating this about Nate has no basis.

Duhon starts and is horrible. We dont need Duhon to pass for 10-13 assissts every 2 months then disappears.
Chris is happy when D'Antoni takes him out of game for substitution.

I thought NBA players never want to come out of a game ?
Everyone sees it, Duhon is so bad he rather sit than play and figure it out. What's nate got to do with that ?
As crazy as Nate drives fans he got MORE Guts and GAME in his pinky than Duhon can have in entire NBA season
amen ...

Reason if NY ever trades Nate at deadline Feb.2010 then Nate has good/decent trade value where
Duhoh value = 0. Can't even give Duhon away for $1.99.
amen to that..

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1/31/2010  4:31 PM
we're also losing games because we have Jeffries seeing huge minutes... we're operating at a severe disadvantage every night because we have 2 players who don't normally pose a scoring threat (even tho Jeffries had a good shooting night last night)... that means we're playing 3 on 5 on offense most nights, not a good formula for success in the NBA... replace Jeffries with a guy who can play on both sides of the ball & Duhon wouldn't be as much of a problem... same thing if u replaced Duhon who could play on both sides of the ball at the PG position... we'd also be better off if we replaced Lee with a C who played on both sides of the ball... & both Al & Nate are pretty 1 dimensional too... there's no single reason why the Knicks are losing... we have far too many 1 way players on this team... we need to target more versatility & more players who can make an impact on both ends.
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1/31/2010  11:27 PM
TMS wrote:we're also losing games because we have Jeffries seeing huge minutes... we're operating at a severe disadvantage every night because we have 2 players who don't normally pose a scoring threat (even tho Jeffries had a good shooting night last night)... that means we're playing 3 on 5 on offense most nights, not a good formula for success in the NBA... replace Jeffries with a guy who can play on both sides of the ball & Duhon wouldn't be as much of a problem... same thing if u replaced Duhon who could play on both sides of the ball at the PG position... we'd also be better off if we replaced Lee with a C who played on both sides of the ball... & both Al & Nate are pretty 1 dimensional too... there's no single reason why the Knicks are losing... we have far too many 1 way players on this team... we need to target more versatility & more players who can make an impact on both ends.

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couldnt agree with you more
Summed it up nicely we do have too many 1-way players. Been that way since marbury 'poison' was here then exiled.
I'll have to blame then Isiah and now Walsh for that. MDA gets no free pass this season either since he got Tim Thomas
for awhile last season.

I cant see why since Duhon was brought in we dont have another PG even a 2nd PG sub.
Douglas and Nate aint PGs. Case closed. Lee And Chandler though improved are close
to tweeners.

We got no centers which no one in Knickland cares about that.
We dont even have a REAL SG type. Either as a shooter, defender or rebounding guard.
I dont consider Chandler a REAL SG. Team is built bad and though I have faith in Walsh
cause of the cap $$$ remedies he accomplished I am going to question him after the summer.

Why ? Cause I aint sure whom in NBA wants to sign with NY for $$$ bucks.
Dwayne Wade once say he can play in NY now wants no part of big apple mecca.
Dont see LBJ coming here. Bosh will not go to a team worse than Raptors whom
are improving. I dont want Amare anymore he's unreliable and moody.

Adds up to Knicks in Trouble if we cant do something this summer.
If Knicks could live a Dream I'd give up entire team and $$$ for
trade and shot at #1 pick to be John Wall in 2010 June Draft.

Yep ! I am crazy and know that aint ever happening..

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1/31/2010  11:36 PM
DJ, if we could trade D Lee for a lottery pick i would do it in a heartbeat & hope to get lucky & be able to nab Wall or Turner, or at least Patrick Patterson or DeMarcus Cousins... any 1 of those guys would solve so many problems for this team... too bad Donnie missed his chance last year... right now there's no way we could get that type of value for Lee cuz of his veto rights over any deal.
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2/1/2010  2:02 AM
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

oohah, you really going to make an argument for nate robinson on a night when he was 1-10 fgs and -33 on the +/-? ummm. hah.

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2/1/2010  2:08 AM
crzymdups wrote:
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

oohah, you really going to make an argument for nate robinson on a night when he was 1-10 fgs and -33 on the +/-? ummm. hah.

tonight Duhon was far from being the reason we lost the game... he actually made his shots... problem was not too many other guys were making theirs, we played zero defense inside & left too many shooters wide open for 3's on some key possessions.

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2/1/2010  2:11 AM
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

oohah, you really going to make an argument for nate robinson on a night when he was 1-10 fgs and -33 on the +/-? ummm. hah.

tonight Duhon was far from being the reason we lost the game... he actually made his shots... problem was not too many other guys were making theirs, we played zero defense inside & left too many shooters wide open for 3's on some key possessions.

the game i saw included typical horrendous shot selection from nate. it hurts that duhon doesn't penetrate, but he can't and he knows it and plays within that. nate can penetrate and rarely feels so inclined. how many jump shots did nate miss in the second quarter? 6?

obviously we need to upgrade the point guard position, but i laugh at those who think nate is the answer at the point. i'd rather see larry.

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2/1/2010  3:04 AM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

oohah, you really going to make an argument for nate robinson on a night when he was 1-10 fgs and -33 on the +/-? ummm. hah.

tonight Duhon was far from being the reason we lost the game... he actually made his shots... problem was not too many other guys were making theirs, we played zero defense inside & left too many shooters wide open for 3's on some key possessions.

the game i saw included typical horrendous shot selection from nate. it hurts that duhon doesn't penetrate, but he can't and he knows it and plays within that. nate can penetrate and rarely feels so inclined. how many jump shots did nate miss in the second quarter? 6?

obviously we need to upgrade the point guard position, but i laugh at those who think nate is the answer at the point. i'd rather see larry.

i agree w/u on Nate, i'd rather see Larry at the point than Nate... & i agree w/u about his poor play tonight... Nate was shooting up bricks all night & looked real lazy out there settling for jumpshots instead of trying to create for himself off dribble penetration & trying to get to the FT line like you'd hope he would do if his shot wasn't falling... he was a big part of the reason why we lost this game... so was Gallo's poor shooting & perimeter defense & D Lee's lack of defense down low... there are other nights when Duhon is a big part of the reason we lose games... no one player is to blame for our wins & losses, we just have way too many inconsistent players & players that are 1 dimensional... until we alleviate that problem we'll never be a good team.

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2/1/2010  8:56 AM
I've been watching basketball for over 20 years and I'm not overexagerating - Chris Duhon is the worst starting PG I've ever seen. He's just so damn bad. We basically have a spot-up shooter who can't shoot at PG. Duhon was useful in the pick-and-roll but teams have taken that play away. David Lee scores the majority of his points on jumpers, so Duhon is useless. I know Mike D'Antoni will say "look at his assists to turnover ration! He's sixth in the entire league!" Very misleading. Of course Duhon doesn't have a lot of turnovers - he doesn't create shots for his teammates! Can't wait until this scrub is off the team!
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2/1/2010  9:48 AM
don't see how nates's role in the outcomes this season can be dismissed. he's looked poor on offense and defense in a lot of games he's been in. the team jelled in terms of chemisty, team D and wins when he was out. it's not right to pin it all on him, but why would it be right to say that he has nothing to do with it either?
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2/1/2010  9:59 AM
go look at Duhon's #s in losses vs. wins. When we get ANY kind of decent PG play the Knicks are pretty successful. When our PGs are shooting 28% we lose. Duhon does nothing else good enough to make up for bad shooting nights.
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2/1/2010  1:27 PM
I said it when we signed him. The guy is the worst starting Knick PG we have had in my lifetime and we have had some sucky ones in my lifetime. Hes not worthy of wearing Chris Childs number, thats how much he sucks
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2/1/2010  1:34 PM
oohah wrote:DJ Music, can't you see? It's not Duhon, it's Nate Robinson!

When Nate Robinson played in November, the Knicks lost!

And when Nate Robinson was benched in December, the Knicks won!

In January Robinson is back so the Knicks suck again!

Now, some, like myself and yourself, might say: Look at Duhon's play -- can't you see that his play correlates with the wins and losses?

But we're very, very wrong. The papers and the people who repeat what they read in the papers are right.

Nnd P.S., it can't ever be Mike D'Antoni's fault, even though he insists pn playing super-scrub Duhon while he has options that are as good or better.

oohah

There is so much wrong here on every level. The idea that the Knicks are a better team without Nate is foolish beyond belief. Check out the numbers at 82games.com. Last year Nate was our best player in +/- and this year he is 2nd. So much for us being better without him. Know why Nate is back in the rotation? Because the team sucked arse the last few games of his exile and couldn't get anything going offensively

*Its a wonder and minor miracle NYK don't lose every single game this season with CHRIS DUHON starting

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