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GS is going no where--how about Denver's 2 for C J Watson
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1/23/2010  11:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  11:36 PM
I think that he would be a clear upgrade from Duhon--he's much more athletic and shoots in the mid 40's. I would think that even with GS injuries--a pick for him and taking on his salary--roughly 500k would be worth it to the Warriors who are going no where.
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1/24/2010  5:20 AM
Dude I'd take anybody...D'antoni just has a hard on for Duhon. He's the only player that hasn't had his role tweaked.
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1/24/2010  5:23 AM
BTW Briggs...what's the difference between CJ Watson and Toney Douglas???
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1/24/2010  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2010  8:29 AM
He hasnt had his role tweaked because unfortunately he is our ONLY pg. When Nate went down and Duhon was out the other day we looked like **** with Hughes running it.

This being said we need to dump Dudu and get some real ones.

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1/24/2010  8:47 AM
Watson would be refreshing, i'll tell you that much. jerk you'er right, there is simply NO ONE else to play duhon's role. it's not that mda has a hard on for duhon. if you think that way, you're so wack
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1/24/2010  9:23 AM
I'm really not for change for the sake of change. The second rounder will be an important cheap asset regarding the new architecture of this team.
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1/24/2010  9:30 AM
everyone says that only Duhon knows how to run this offense.

But lets be honest with ourselves.

Maybe Douglas wouldn't run the system as effectively as Duhon, but are we putting our 33 win pace at jeopardy with Douglas?

And for any system running deficiencies that Douglas has, I think he'll more than make up for it with superior shooting and defense.

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1/24/2010  11:47 AM
EnySpree wrote:BTW Briggs...what's the difference between CJ Watson and Toney Douglas???

Experience--he has been in the league and has played well from the lead guard off the bench for a few years. He's a clear talent upgrade from Duhon. I don't know if TD can handle being a lead guard right now--but it wouldnt be the worst thing if we gave him minutes off the bench.

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1/24/2010  1:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2010  4:36 PM
He's a nice PG w/o any severe limitation. He's young, big enough, pretty fast, and can shoot, handle and pass it well. I think he's greatly improved his PG skills from his days in the D-League as well..I was on board the minute you mentioned his name months ago. No doubt he'd be a pretty big upgrade here if we brought him in and gave him the keys to the bus from Duhon. I just don't see the Warriors giving up on him so easily. They know he's a good player and they know they have him at a big discount...He's getting over 25 mins. a night and he's productive -- he's a regular rotation player for them right now. Has been basically the whole year, and that's even with Curry's emergence and Ellis getting a ton of mins. I fear the time to get him may have passed --- we should've tried to pry him loose a little earlier, back when you first brought his name up Briggs, back when they still had Acie Law on their roster. At least then the Warriors still had options for a backup point and a little depth to fall back on there. Now they don't...Maybe then they would've entertained an offer of a 2nd rounder for him. Not sure but I think now, based on his substantial playing time, solid numbers and productivity, that offer may look kinda lowball. I think they'd balk at that offer - I know I would. I don't think we could get him for that now and I don't see GS's urgency to trade him. He's young, productive and a steady rotation PG for them. If they dealt him for one of our 2nd rounders, who inherits those 25+ mins?

Trying to acquire Watson in the off-season as a FA might prove to be just as difficult seeing how he's restricted. Comparing Duhon and Watson, Duhon's the one who'll be lucky to even sniff 500K from a team next year, the way he's played. Watson, on the other hand, is playing like he deserves a significant raise - maybe some team out there gives him a similar deal to the one Donnie originally gave Duhon ...His age, skills and productivity will all be factors..He's showing a lot of people that he may be ready to run his own team.. And GS will have the final say on whether he stays or goes this summer. Unless we somehow come in with a pretty big offer this off-season to pry him loose...But then how do we fit him into our plans at the amount of money he'll be looking for? I couldn't see CJ Watson being part of our plan A this summer (which hopefully involves maxing out LeBron and re-signing Lee - after that the funds won't be there for much else, if anything). It would have to be if we were forced to go a different route (say LeBron stays put in Cleveland) and we suddenly do have money available for a PG...And if that's the case, there are a few guys out there that might be a little further up the ladder from Watson anyway though, no? Briggy I like him a lot, I just don't see the obvious scenario where we could bring him here. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe they would take a 2nd rounder for him. I agree, it's a no-brainer -- you definitely offer that up and see if they bite. Nothing to loose. It would be a bad situation with Duhon for the rest of the year if we ever brought Watson in to take over his spot but F it - Duhon knows he's played terribly and he's got nobody to blame but himself. Chris has also gotta know in his gut that he's gone after the year anyway.

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1/24/2010  2:04 PM
Wanted to give this guy an offer sheet this past offseason as opposed to someone like Sessions.
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1/24/2010  6:23 PM
Hey fellas,

I'm new to the forum and I haven't made an introduction thread yet.

Can anyone describe Watson's game. His assist numbers aren't that high, even when you factor in his minutes. Is that a product of the chaotic offense at Golden State, where the only good pass is a long offense rebound that bounces out to the three-point line? I'll take anyone who can drive to the basket more than once every two games.

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1/25/2010  1:42 PM
To accept Duhon as our starting PG is to accept that we have spent 90mm on salaries and are willing to sck. We are willing as a team to throw the 2010 season away because there has been faulty decision making on how our PG is being allowed to help run the team into the ground--all of his fault--no ---big problem--yes. How come we didnt try to rectify? We couldve and we still can try. Forget the GM the coach et al--how the heck does the owner sit back and say nothing on this player. Funny about the thread above and Layden trading Camby--no it was Dolan who traded Camby. All of these fans spending millions of dollars out of their own pocket for tickets the last decade and it's just acceptable to lose? Because having Chris Duhon as our starter is the equivalent of accepting a losing team. in my opinion if you cant do the job consistently--you're out. I think that there were good PGs on the board who really couldve helped this team--I wouldve taken Lawson over jennings[although that could be questionable] but what have you. We didnt go out and pay a CJ Watson 2mm for the year--we didnt get Iversen--we did nothing--and that was a poor choice. A losing choice.
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1/25/2010  2:41 PM
A more losing choice would be signing Iverson, who is the definition of loser in the dictionary with his picture there. Sometimes not doing anything is the best option. Would I love an upgrade over Duhon or maybe some fresh man? Yea, sure, but not at the expense of destroying this championship caliber team we're building. Not at the expense of sacrificing our future and our core, which is our future too. You go ahead and get Watson or Mike James, but I think Donnie has something up his sleeve like maybe we have Rubio next year. What do you think of that?
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1/25/2010  3:17 PM
Blob, Ivy has driven the 76er's to 2-0 in there last 2 and 5-5 in their last 10.
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1/25/2010  3:25 PM
orangeblobman wrote:A more losing choice would be signing Iverson, who is the definition of loser in the dictionary with his picture there. Sometimes not doing anything is the best option. Would I love an upgrade over Duhon or maybe some fresh man? Yea, sure, but not at the expense of destroying this championship caliber team we're building. Not at the expense of sacrificing our future and our core, which is our future too. You go ahead and get Watson or Mike James, but I think Donnie has something up his sleeve like maybe we have Rubio next year. What do you think of that?

Id rather have Iversen than Duhon--that's stupid. Im not willing to trade a key component for a G but there are teams that are out of it--soon we will be out of it and this thread and talk of playoffs will be history. But it is a shame they could not identify and rectify this problem when they had a chance.

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1/25/2010  3:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:To accept Duhon as our starting PG is to accept that we have spent 90mm on salaries and are willing to sck. We are willing as a team to throw the 2010 season away because there has been faulty decision making on how our PG is being allowed to help run the team into the ground--all of his fault--no ---big problem--yes. How come we didnt try to rectify? We couldve and we still can try. Forget the GM the coach et al--how the heck does the owner sit back and say nothing on this player. Funny about the thread above and Layden trading Camby--no it was Dolan who traded Camby. All of these fans spending millions of dollars out of their own pocket for tickets the last decade and it's just acceptable to lose? Because having Chris Duhon as our starter is the equivalent of accepting a losing team. in my opinion if you cant do the job consistently--you're out. I think that there were good PGs on the board who really couldve helped this team--I wouldve taken Lawson over jennings[although that could be questionable] but what have you. We didnt go out and pay a CJ Watson 2mm for the year--we didnt get Iversen--we did nothing--and that was a poor choice. A losing choice.

The Knicks did try to do something about Duhon.

They offered Kidd more money & years than most of us thought was a good idea. They went after Sessions but he and his agent refused to sign for 1-year and now they are riding the pine in Minny.

Iverson --- "Child Please"!

In any regard --- we definitely need an upgrade.

To say or think that Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni don't realize this is pure garbage.

There is wanting something and there is being able to get it at the right price and term.

Hopefully something gets done by the trade deadline.

GS is going no where--how about Denver's 2 for C J Watson

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