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djsunyc
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1/22/2010  2:36 PM
that team is ballin. even with mo williams out, they just beat the lakers.

there is something to be said about having big guys in the paint like verejao and shaq.

i think they've been underrated way too long and receive too much hate from this forum.
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1/22/2010  2:39 PM
Are you talking without Shaq (maybe) and Z next year?
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1/22/2010  2:40 PM
djsunyc wrote:that team is ballin. even with mo williams out, they just beat the lakers.

there is something to be said about having big guys in the paint like verejao and shaq.

i think they've been underrated way too long and receive too much hate from this forum.

yeah but they still have lebron... i would say the knicks roster is alot better than the cavs (sans lebron)

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1/22/2010  2:44 PM
they have the best team in the league.

1 guy does not propel to that level unless the other guys on the team are good. no matter how great lebron is.

they've played 25 road games (only 19 at home) and are 1 win away from the best record in the league.

and if they pull off a Z trade at the deadline...forget it. they can constantly upgrade the talent by trading expirings.

trading Z now and shaq next summer will only increase the talent level imho.

this has nothing to do with whether lebron stays or goes to ny. i just don't get the prevailing notion that the knicks players provide a better supporting cast.
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1/22/2010  2:45 PM
djsunyc wrote:they have the best team in the league.

1 guy does not propel to that level unless the other guys on the team are good. no matter how great lebron is.

they've played 25 road games (only 19 at home) and are 1 win away from the best record in the league.

and if they pull off a Z trade at the deadline...forget it. they can constantly upgrade the talent by trading expirings.

trading Z now and shaq next summer will only increase the talent level imho.

this has nothing to do with whether lebron stays or goes to ny. i just don't get the prevailing notion that the knicks players provide a better supporting cast.

well you are a raptors fan so nobody said you were smart

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1/22/2010  2:45 PM
I think having a superstar talent, and perhaps the best talent in the NBA on your team elevates everyones play. If you watched the game last night, late 4th quarter saw Lebron at the top running pick and roll with Verajou while everyone else spread out to the corners for spacing. Lebron was involved in every play down the stretch. Either he scored himself, hit V on the pick and roll, or kicked it out to the corner for open 3's. Dont underestimate the impact of a player of Lebrons callibre. They look better than they are because of him.
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Uptown wrote:I think having a superstar talent, and perhaps the best talent in the NBA on your team elevates everyones play. If you watched the game last night, late 4th quarter saw Lebron at the top running pick and roll with Verajou while everyone else spread out to the corners for spacing. Lebron was involved in every play down the stretch. Either he scored himself, hit V on the pick and roll, or kicked it out to the corner for open 3's. Dont underestimate the impact of a player of Lebrons callibre. They look better than they are because of him.

i agree...but on the other end, verejao made life hell for pau. no knick would be able to do that. shaq made bynum a non factor. no knick would be able to do that. that's where they won that game. they're on the ball defense up top is unmatched (outside of rondo) - that's what puts them in a position for lebron to take over.
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1/22/2010  2:49 PM
djsunyc wrote:they have the best team in the league.

1 guy does not propel to that level unless the other guys on the team are good. no matter how great lebron is.

they've played 25 road games (only 19 at home) and are 1 win away from the best record in the league.

and if they pull off a Z trade at the deadline...forget it. they can constantly upgrade the talent by trading expirings.

trading Z now and shaq next summer will only increase the talent level imho.

this has nothing to do with whether lebron stays or goes to ny. i just don't get the prevailing notion that the knicks players provide a better supporting cast.


No one said they wasn't good at all, but again in the NBA, one player can lift an entire program to new heights. Larry Bird's arrival lifted the Celts from the bottom. Lebron's rookie year, Magic took his team to a championship, Tim Duncan, etc......
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1/22/2010  2:55 PM
This Cavs team is a nice fit of role players around lebron but they aren't anywhere near the Knicks at this point. Before the season when the Knicks didn't prove anything, you could argue both ways, now it's not even close. Shaq is a shell of his former self who clogs the lane and doesn't fit. Williams is an all-star solely because he plays with lebron. No other good players on the team.

Lee is an all-star without lebron, gallo is on his way to becoming one, and chandler is on his way to becoming a versatile two-way complimentary player, probably a step below an all-star. All 3 fit well with lebron's style. No young talent in cleveland, no flexibility now or in the future. It's not even close.
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1/22/2010  2:56 PM
don't you guys think that some of the players would be traded if lebron were to go to ny?
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1/22/2010  3:11 PM
yea for sure the knicks have so good support cast, you got gallo lee chandler, nate..wow, hello? you got so good. just need lebron + some pg! is all over, you sign some veteran mid season to play interior d, cos then knicks is champ caliber and then that's it.

who you have cavs?? nothing. dinosaurs, you got mo williams, guy from simpsons, guys are wack. they didn't get it done and they don't offer anything close to knicks for the future. it's all over.

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1/22/2010  3:14 PM
djsunyc wrote:don't you guys think that some of the players would be traded if lebron were to go to ny?

You can take almost everyone off this team and just have lee, gallo, and chandler and you have a better supporting cast now and in the future than the cavs. And that doesn't count hill and douglas, who will both be here, and jeffries if he is still here. You can have harrington, nate, duhun, and hughes, the knicks are still the better supporting cast.
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1/22/2010  3:20 PM
I mentioned this in another thread but their core of Varejao, Lebron, and Williams is solid and proven. The other guys are interchangeable. They have alot of vets and they will have the MLE this summer when solid vets will be looking for that last pay day.

With Mo Williams out I expect them to make a push for Mike Miller and Antwan Jamison. If that happens they will be a problem.

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1/22/2010  3:29 PM
I think the argument is that we have better CORE players in place than the Cavs. We can still add to that core to fill needs like a big body in the middle to go against bigs if we need it. The thing is that The Cavs don't have a guy like Gallo or Chan. We may have a guy developing in Hill that can fight in the paint and block shots. You put Lebron on this team and we're obviously near the top of the league too.

Also I believe that our offensive attack would be better than what Lebron has had. They don't really have an identity on and the offense is mostly a mess unless Lebron is dominating like he can. I think you give MDA a talent like Lebron and he'll turn out a high powered offense. We can't play any faster cuz we don't have a PG to run that, but Lebron is basically a modern version of Magic Johnson at times. On this team that would improve the level of play greatly. Can you imagine how good Gallo, Lee and Chan would be with Lebron leading them?
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1/22/2010  3:49 PM
djsunyc wrote:they have the best team in the league.

1 guy does not propel to that level unless the other guys on the team are good. no matter how great lebron is.

they've played 25 road games (only 19 at home) and are 1 win away from the best record in the league.

and if they pull off a Z trade at the deadline...forget it. they can constantly upgrade the talent by trading expirings.

trading Z now and shaq next summer will only increase the talent level imho.

this has nothing to do with whether lebron stays or goes to ny. i just don't get the prevailing notion that the knicks players provide a better supporting cast.

I wonder how their team record would be if they were in the Western conference. East is getting better but still NO WHERE near the other half.

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1/22/2010  3:56 PM
Lakers still have the best team... Cavs have beaten them twice this year & are playing the best ball right now in the league, but in a short series i think LA's depth gives them the edge.
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djsunyc wrote:they have the best team in the league.

1 guy does not propel to that level unless the other guys on the team are good. no matter how great lebron is.

they've played 25 road games (only 19 at home) and are 1 win away from the best record in the league.

and if they pull off a Z trade at the deadline...forget it. they can constantly upgrade the talent by trading expirings.

trading Z now and shaq next summer will only increase the talent level imho.

this has nothing to do with whether lebron stays or goes to ny. i just don't get the prevailing notion that the knicks players provide a better supporting cast.

This team in a way reminds me of the sixers with A.I in his prime when they went to the finals with Larry Brown at the helm.

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1/22/2010  4:38 PM
Lebron's roster consists of Anderson Varejao and garbage players.... oh. I like JJ Hickson too... but seriously... that roster is garbage.
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1/22/2010  4:40 PM
Put Lebron on the side line......

Let us play the Cavs 7 game series

Winner gets Lebron

Bet we sweep them!!

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1/22/2010  5:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2010  5:11 PM
Knixkik wrote:This Cavs team is a nice fit of role players around lebron but they aren't anywhere near the Knicks at this point. Before the season when the Knicks didn't prove anything, you could argue both ways, now it's not even close. Shaq is a shell of his former self who clogs the lane and doesn't fit. Williams is an all-star solely because he plays with lebron. No other good players on the team.

Lee is an all-star without lebron, gallo is on his way to becoming one, and chandler is on his way to becoming a versatile two-way complimentary player, probably a step below an all-star. All 3 fit well with lebron's style. No young talent in cleveland, no flexibility now or in the future. It's not even close.

- Mo Williams was nasty in Milwaukee.
- A washed up Shaq would still eat up every single one of our frontcourt players

David Lee is only an all star in this league if you think he's better than

Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, and your choice of:

KG, Josh Smith, or your next best forward.

I think Hollinger got it right. The starting 5 should be a PG (they make the game way more fun) 2 wings and 2 bigs.

I love me some DLee but he is not one of the 2 best bigs in the East right now.

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How can LeBron + "garbage players" beat Kobe, Fisher, Pau, Bynum, Artest with Lamar Odom coming off the bench?

This makes no sense at all no matter how good you think LeBron is.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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