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Knixkik
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1/20/2010  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  2:11 PM
I'm a firm believer that LeBron will land in new york, but just for fun (or not for fun at all) let's say the Knicks can't land the best of the best, and decide to split their cap space up among second tier players. How would you feel with this roster going into next season?

C Lee (6 years starting at $9M), Hill, Curry
PF Gallo, Jeffries
SF Gay (5 years starting at $12M), Bender
SG Chandler, Landry
PG Felton (5 years starting at $7M), Douglas

AUTOADVERT
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1/20/2010  2:15 PM
Not bad. I like that all the players on long term deals get signed at reasonable figures.

Let's pray this summer isn't defined by overpaying teams.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/20/2010  2:16 PM
Im pretty sure we dont have the capspace for all of that. Just remember, Lee and Nate have some serious capholds. Plus, theres no way Lee starts at 9 at the rate he is going.

Plus we are hurting ourselves. We are keeping ourselves from getting a big who can block shots (which we need) by doing this...

I think we should go after Amare this year, keep Lee and hope we can sigb Melo next season.

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1/20/2010  2:24 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Im pretty sure we dont have the capspace for all of that. Just remember, Lee and Nate have some serious capholds. Plus, theres no way Lee starts at 9 at the rate he is going.

Plus we are hurting ourselves. We are keeping ourselves from getting a big who can block shots (which we need) by doing this...

I think we should go after Amare this year, keep Lee and hope we can sigb Melo next season.

Not much defense in that front court.

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1/20/2010  2:26 PM
Signing Raymond Felton and Rudy Gay is much more attractive to me than signing Joe Johnson to the Max.

We're 16-15 since December 1st with arguably the worst starting PG in the NBA in Chris Duhon. I truly believe we would be close to .500 or above with an average PG. Felton is not a Star but he would make other players so much better. He has great speed and potential. Reminds me some of Tim Hardaway.

I'm not too interested in Gay. Why sign a wing scorer, unless it were LeBron James, when you have Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari? Gay wouldn't make sense to me. I'd look to sign a true big man who can block some shots and help alter the paint.

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1/20/2010  2:28 PM
I'd say our priorities are a

1) Real lead guard

2) A big whose strengths make up for Gallo's weaknesses: someone who can guard bruisers down low, enforce the paint, get boards, block shots, putbacks etc.

I love Camby on a short term deal or even Erick Dampier (no monster contract of course)

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1/20/2010  2:34 PM
I like that plan, Gay and Felton. The thing that is always overlooked is our ability to groom an awesome, championship-caliber squad. They did in Dallas with Dirk. They did it other places. This is a VERY strong core. I think that, if not for the last 8 depressing years, given a clean slate, we view this team as one of the most promising in the league. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if someone people already viewed it as such around the league.

Lebron is number 1 priority, but if that falls through there is no despair. This is a good thing we got going on.

Godsave, definitely, in my book, a lead guard. Or whatever. Someone to orchestrate; a conductor, I guess.

From BDL:

New York Knicks, projected record: 35-47

Does that sound about right?

That sounds fantastic, actually. Thirty-five wins with a crummy rotation that has been whittled down to seven crummy players? With the second-best of those players sitting out for 20 games because of an extended benching? This is no guarantee the Knicks will get anything of note done this summer, but for this stretch, the half-start is to be admired.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/20/2010  2:38 PM
Knixkik wrote:I'm a firm believer that LeBron will land in new york, but just for fun (or not for fun at all) let's say the Knicks can't land the best of the best, and decide to split their cap space up among second tier players. How would you feel with this roster going into next season?

C Lee (6 years starting at $9M), Hill, Curry
PF Gallo, Jeffries
SF Gay (5 years starting at $12M), Bender
SG Chandler, Landry Raja Bell
PG Felton (5 years starting at $7M), Douglas

There, that looks better

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1/20/2010  2:39 PM
Knixkik wrote:I'm a firm believer that LeBron will land in new york, but just for fun (or not for fun at all) let's say the Knicks can't land the best of the best, and decide to split their cap space up among second tier players. How would you feel with this roster going into next season?

C Lee (6 years starting at $9M), Hill, Curry
PF Gallo, Jeffries
SF Gay (5 years starting at $12M), Bender
SG Chandler, Landry
PG Felton (5 years starting at $7M), Douglas

That team might be able to make the playoffs on the regular basis... but it isn't a real contender. I guess your intention is to use whatever is left of cap space in 2011 to solidify the starting lineup? I personally would rather blow it all up if you can't get Lebron. In fact, I kind of want to blow it all up right now, use Gallo, Hill and Douglas to get rid of Curry and Jeffries (and their contracts) and try to sign the trinity of Lebron, Wade and Bosh. It'd be crazy the first year cause you'd have $7M to sign 9 other players... well, with two 2nd rd draft picks, call it $6m for 7 players (4 of whom are rotation players)--, but if you could pull off that coup, you could always use the Vet's minimum to fill in the roster.

You know I gonna spin wit it
Knixkik
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1/20/2010  2:39 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Im pretty sure we dont have the capspace for all of that. Just remember, Lee and Nate have some serious capholds. Plus, theres no way Lee starts at 9 at the rate he is going.

Plus we are hurting ourselves. We are keeping ourselves from getting a big who can block shots (which we need) by doing this...

I think we should go after Amare this year, keep Lee and hope we can sigb Melo next season.

This plan would be based on a cap of around $55M which we would come in around with this lineup plus 2 2nd round picks. In terms of using all of our cap space, this would be the most productive way outside of using it on a max FA.

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1/20/2010  2:59 PM
I think I would go Rudy Gay for the max as well before I went Joe Johnson. I think Randy Foye maybe a better option at the point guard position since Gilbert went down he is 18.5pts 6.5ass.

Lee/hill
Gall/Jefferies
Gay/Bender
Chandler
Foye/Douglas

We have to remember that we are signing young kids and that they are all improving and will likely be tradable down the road. Who knows what happens in NO. Chandler-Lee-Foye packaged together may net you an elite player like Chris Paul down the road. You never know how the team matures together. But looking at the above team they have length at every position can all get to the basket and shoot.

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1/20/2010  4:25 PM
MS wrote:I think I would go Rudy Gay for the max as well before I went Joe Johnson. I think Randy Foye maybe a better option at the point guard position since Gilbert went down he is 18.5pts 6.5ass.

Lee/hill
Gall/Jefferies
Gay/Bender
Chandler
Foye/Douglas

We have to remember that we are signing young kids and that they are all improving and will likely be tradable down the road. Who knows what happens in NO. Chandler-Lee-Foye packaged together may net you an elite player like Chris Paul down the road. You never know how the team matures together. But looking at the above team they have length at every position can all get to the basket and shoot.

I perfer Felton just because i think he's better, but foye may be more attainable and i do like the makeup of the team. In fact, at this point, my ideal lineup for next season is lebron in place of gay of course, but besides that this being the lineup. Dealing jeffries beforehand or sign-and-trade in a deal for foye would be idea. Foye has a lot to offer with his size, shooting, defense, and creating. I do believe he could be something like a billups down the road, in terms of being a late bloomer. But if we don't get lebron i would take this roster anyday of the week.

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1/20/2010  6:11 PM
Give me Foye or Lowry over Felton. Rudy Gay ain't too bad but we have Chandler- who can be a similiar player offensively and better defensively.
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1/20/2010  6:54 PM
joec32033 wrote:Give me Foye or Lowry over Felton. Rudy Gay ain't too bad but we have Chandler- who can be a similiar player offensively and better defensively.

I rather pay Lowry than Foye or Felton because they all pretty much the same player but Lowry will be cheapest. Rudy Gay is a better defender than Gay and the superior offensive talent.

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1/20/2010  9:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  9:27 PM
I say we panic if we whiff on Lebron and max out Carlos Boozer and give Josh Howard the rest.

or

sign Marcus Camby to a reasonable contract. Bring back David Lee.

resign Dudu for ONE year only or try to get

Felton
Ridnour
STEVE BLAKE !!!!!

other mid-level guys I like:

Travis Outlaw
Mike Miller

Would it be crazy to trade for Iguodala?

I'm thinking I'd rather pay Iguodala 12-15 million a season for the next 3 seasons. PO for the 4th than Joe Johnson 16-17 mill per for the next 6-7 seasons.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/20/2010  9:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  9:19 PM
if we can't land any of the top max FA's this offseason (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk), i go with this in 2010 & then target Melo in 2011:

C - Marcus Camby $6M
PF - David Lee $11.5M
SF - Danilo Gallinari $3.3M
SG - Wilson Chandler $2.1M
PG - Kyle Lowry $5.5M
6 - Jordan Hill $2.7M
7 - Jared Jeffries $6.8M
8 - Toney Douglas $1M
9 - Nic Wise $0.7M (2nd round pick)
10 - Joe Alexander $1.9M (take a flyer on a young kid, nothing to lose)
11 - Lazar Haywood $0.7M (2nd round pick)
12 - Marcus Landry $0.5M
IA - Eddy Curry $11.3M
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Total Payroll = $54M

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1/20/2010  9:28 PM
damn TMS you put your post before I edited mine. I'd love if we could bring back the cambyman for 6 mill but I think he asks for and gets way more than that.
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1/20/2010  9:39 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:damn TMS you put your post before I edited mine. I'd love if we could bring back the cambyman for 6 mill but I think he asks for and gets way more than that.

i can't imagine him getting any more than $7-8M per at most... if we sign him to a 3 year deal starting at $6M i think it's doable... if u need an extra million to make it work just cut Joe Alexander out of the plan & sign a veteran's minimum player instead.

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1/20/2010  10:06 PM
Good feedback on this thread! Anyway, do we really think Camby will come that cheaply? My understanding is that teams are still very interested in him even at his age.

In general, I'm in favor of growing the team slowly and capitalizing on other teams impatience and mistakes. You know, similar to what other teams have done to us over the years (take a look at us trading camby and nene to the nuggets for mcdyess, us getting crawford from the bulls for a bunch of expiring contracts, giving bulls picks and expirings for curry, etc).

For example, check out what the Clippers did to the Nuggets after the Nuggets traded for Iverson... they were able to get Camby for basically nothing (swapping 2nd rounders) because the Nuggets were looking to shed salary. A fun exercise would be to analyze the current teams payrolls and check to see how they do after the playoffs. If any teams with excessive salary get blown out (or don't make the playoffs) we should immediately target them for trades. Hell, we can take a look at last years teams with big payrolls that disappointed and see what players they have.

With Walsh I have more confidence that he has this kind of strategy and thinking. Let's be opportunistic. If a good deal comes by the trade deadline this year, we should be open to it. If we can't get Lebron this summer, we should stay disciplined and see what we can get in 2011. Let's stop the cycle of overpaying.

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1/20/2010  10:10 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I say we panic if we whiff on Lebron and max out Carlos Boozer and give Josh Howard the rest.

or

sign Marcus Camby to a reasonable contract. Bring back David Lee.

resign Dudu for ONE year only or try to get

Felton
Ridnour
STEVE BLAKE !!!!!

other mid-level guys I like:

Travis Outlaw
Mike Miller

Would it be crazy to trade for Iguodala?

I'm thinking I'd rather pay Iguodala 12-15 million a season for the next 3 seasons. PO for the 4th than Joe Johnson 16-17 mill per for the next 6-7 seasons.


Iguodala would be a great player to look at during next season using maybe Curry, Chandler, and future pick/cash. He's a great point forward, lock down defender, athletic, young, durable, underrated star. Phila will be looking to rebuild and offering curry's expiring, a decent replacement in chandler and extras could be the right mix. Even if we do get lebron, iguodala is still a great pickup who can take a lot of pressure off of lebron.

Let's say best case scenario the knicks go into next year with a lineup of Lee, Gallo, James, Chandler, and Foye. Can you imagine replacing chandler with iguodala? The knicks may still lack interior defense, but instantly you're in position to compete for a championship. Then the following summer you may be over the salary cap, but the mid level can be used to bring in interior help, ie tyson chandler.

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