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1/16/2010  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2010  12:05 PM
Arenas to Knicks? Walsh says wait and see
January, 15, 2010
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By Chris Sheridan

NEW YORK -- At nearly the exact same moment that Avery Johnson went on ESPN's "NBA Shootaround" show Friday night and demonstrably raised the possibility of the New York Knicks making a push for Gilbert Arenas, that very same topic was a matter of discussion between myself and Knicks president Donnie Walsh.

And although Walsh didn't exactly endorse the notion, he certainly didn't dismiss it.

"I don't know if he's available, and I don’t know if he’s going to be able to play. There are a lot of questions, and we’ll have to see as time passes what the story is, but I know this: When I had guys in the same situation, I traded all of them," Walsh said.

The difficulty of the Wizards finding a taker in an Arenas trade was heightened by the events of Friday afternoon when Arenas pleaded guilty to a felony gun possession charge, and Judge Robert E. Morin scheduled sentencing for March 26.

Arenas remains suspended indefinitely, but commissioner David Stern will eventually have to decide how long of a punishment fits the crime. A 50-game suspension would have the effect of wiping out the possibility of Arenas returning this season, but a less severe suspension (my early guess was 30 games, and I'm sticking with it) would allow for Arenas to return to the court this season. And with the relationship between Arenas and the Wizards organization seemingly headed toward a divorce, the most palatable option for Washington would be to try to find a team willing to trade for the three-time All-Star who has four years and $80 million remaining on his contract -- but who will have sat out the majority of the past two and a half seasons.

"I would assume they are going to go out and try to develop it, because they have to develop the market. That's what I had to do with [Ron] Artest and Stephen [Jackson]," Walsh told ESPN.com. "I mean, nobody’s going to call you up and say ‘I want the guy.' So you've got to call up, and it takes time."

Walsh said the situation was comparable to the time when he was president of the Indiana Pacers and was forced by ownership to trade Artest after the infamous Palace brawl, and again after Jackson was arrested for firing a handgun outside a strip club. (Jackson eventually pleaded guilty to a felony and was suspended for 7 games, the league office apparently deciding that his actions were not egregious enough to merit the minimum 10-game suspension mandated in the collective bargaining agreement for any player convicted of a violent felony.)

Walsh ended up trading Artest to Sacramento for Peja Stojakovic, and Jackson was dealt to Golden State in a multiplayer deal that brought back Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy.

"The first pass, nobody had interest," Walsh recalled of the Artest talks. "But you keep calling, and then something happens to a franchise, and they go ‘Yeah, you know what, we might be interested.'"

Walsh agreed with the assessment that with so much in limbo, Arenas -- for the time being -- is virtually untradable.

"Temporarily, because you've got to see what happens here, because I don’t know what the league is going to do, I don’t know what the court is going to do, but after it’s all cleared up, then it’s easier to answer that question."

The Knicks remain committed to clearing as much salary-cap space as they can for the summer of 2010, and they'll have enough room to go after another max-contract player in the summer of 2011 if they keep Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries on the roster for the remainder of this season and all of next season.

If they traded Curry and Jeffries (combined 2010-11 salaries of $18.15 million ) for Arenas (2010-11 salary of $17.73 million), they would in effect be taking themselves out of the 2011 free agent market because Arenas is owed $19.3 in '11-12, $20.8 million in '12-13, and $22.3 million in '13-14. But one prominent league official suggested that if Arenas was amenable to modifying his contract, agreeing to a team option in each of the final two or three years of his deal (Arenas currently has an early termination option after the '11-12 season), his tradability would increase significantly. But Arenas would thereby be putting $40-61 million of guaranteed money at risk, making for one hell of a huge financial gamble.

I asked Walsh whether he' would sacrifice his 2011 cap flexibility to trade for Arenas. His reply: "I’d have to make that decision at that time. But he’s a very good player."

Arenas is eventually going to try to resurrect his career somewhere, and New York -- the Knicks need a point guard -- cannot be dismissed as a possible option.

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1/16/2010  12:06 PM
If it was for Curry and Jefferies I gotta admit, it would be an interesting deal.
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1/16/2010  12:12 PM
Only a matter of time before the Arenas to NY rumors started to pop up. Writers couldnt help themselves.

With his baggage and the money he his owed, it would be suicide to trade for him. I dont care if they're willing to take Curry, Jeffries, Dolan, beat Howard Eisley's ass...I dont care, no.

Its not even taking into account that ol' Hibachi is coming off a major knee injury. C'mon now.

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1/16/2010  12:16 PM
The media world is still under impression that NY is the garbage collector of the NBA.
I think world is changing but some peopele stuck in the past.
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1/16/2010  12:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2010  12:18 PM
Regardless of what some here may think Arenas is no team cancer. I dont want him here unless we have Lebron to keep him in check. He can definitely help a few teams around the league at SG.

Im predicting Arenas to Golden State after his contract is voided. Pleading to the felony is going to end up with that contract being voided.

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1/16/2010  12:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2010  12:30 PM
Man, this could be the steal of the 21st century. If all clears up, everything ok, and we can pick Mr. Arenas up on the cheap? What!?!?!? That's a max player at a bargain price. You crazy, man.

He a good guy. Immature, but good guy. He come here, MDA I think have no problem molding him. He kick serious butt in NY.

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1/16/2010  12:43 PM
I don't think there is anyway with D'Antoni as coach that a guy with character issues is brought in no matter how talented. I also don't think this would be a good move for the Knicks.
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1/16/2010  12:46 PM
This guy doesn't have Stephon-like character issues. He just needed a wake up call. Guy is a hard worker, a bit eccentric, but not in the same class as the Marburys of the world.
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1/16/2010  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2010  12:52 PM
I was just about to post the article. I think this would be a great deal. This is the deal:

Washington sends us Arenas

Knicks sends them Curry, Jeffries, second round pick and $3 million.

Washington gets out from under Arenas mammoth contract, which they already were starting to think was a mistake. They always liked Jeffries, and they can take a flyer on Curry to see if he works better in their system than in here. Plus, they get a pick and $3 mill in cash.

The reality is that there are only probably 2-3 teams that would be willing to take on Arenas' huge salary. So if Walsh acts quickly, we might be able to push this deal through.

WHAT DOES IT DO FOR US:

a) We finally have the upgrade at PG that we have needed for years. Arenas is not a pure PG, but he has more PG instincts than a guy like Nate. He should be able to thrive in MDA's system and he will force teams to play the P&R fairly because they cannot lay off him.

b) While this deal kills 2011, it really does not effect the 2010 plan. We can still sign Lebron and with some other moves might be able to sign another max player. A team of: Arenas, Chandler, Lebron, Bosh, and Gallo, with Hill on the bench plus our second round picks this year, would be no worse than 3rd best team in the East and I would think probably would be the best team. Plus, we still have the MLE to add talent in future years.

c) While the gun issue is a sticking point, Arenas does add credibility to our selling point that the Knicks are going somewhere. Adding Bosh and Lebron to a team with Arenas, Chandler, and Gallo would produce an instant contender, which would be important to Lebron.

In short, this is the move to make IMO. Walsh, get er done!!!

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1/16/2010  1:15 PM
Walsh says in the interview that he traded every single guy who got in this kind of trouble in Indy. That should have been the end of the article right there. No way he is trading for Arenas now or ever.

Besides, the guy is a shoot first combo guard, this never ever works.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/16/2010  1:20 PM
If Gilbert Arenas was healthy I would certainly consider it--but the guy is owed 80mm and has barely played in 3 years--he's not the same player and will never be. This is a stupid article--no way this will ever happen.
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1/16/2010  1:36 PM
simrud wrote:Walsh says in the interview that he traded every single guy who got in this kind of trouble in Indy. That should have been the end of the article right there. No way he is trading for Arenas now or ever.

Besides, the guy is a shoot first combo guard, this never ever works.


The article says:

Walsh said the situation was comparable to the time when he was president of the Indiana Pacers and was forced by ownership to trade Artest after the infamous Palace brawl, and again after Jackson was arrested for firing a handgun outside a strip club. (Jackson eventually pleaded guilty to a felony and was suspended for 7 games, the league office apparently deciding that his actions were not egregious enough to merit the minimum 10-game suspension mandated in the collective bargaining agreement for any player convicted of a violent felony.)

Thus, Walsh did not make the decision, managment made the decision. Is Arenas any worse than Sprewell? The bottomline is this team needs a PG probably more than it needs anything else. I don't like ARenas salary, and I would try to get him to give us a team option as to the last year of the deal, but is there really a better PG out there that we can realistically get in the next 2 years? Not really. So I would move forward with researching this deal and reviewing game film. If I am reasonably sure Arenas is close to healthy, I would make the trade.

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1/16/2010  1:38 PM
I need more time to think about it. But, Jeffries and Curry for Arenas is something to consider strongly.

2010 outlook?

Arenas $17.2
Gallo $3.3
Chandler $2.1
Hill $2.7
Douglas $1.1
2nd rd pick $.5
2nd rd pick $.5
Bender $.5
Landry $.5

That's a better looking $28.4M than one that includes Jeffries and Curry, but would Washington even do that?

Arenas/Chandler/Lebron/Gallo/Lee

Now, I think the problem with Arenas is his Marbury-esque stats. Notwithstanding his 22pts 7.5 assists, his usage is high and his player efficiency is low. To me, his stats will get a lot worse next to Lebron who also has a high usage. I'd be happier with Sergio Rodriguez.


Here is my logic:

To get Arenas, you are replacing Curry and Jeffries with a top 50 player at the expense of 2011 Free Agency, with the ability sign a max FA now and re-sign Lee. That also would allow us to use the MLE in 2011 to pick up a quality veteran. Can we get rid of Curry and Jeffries without taking back an Arenas type contract? Probably not.

Next, can I get rid of at least one of Jeffries/Curry to obtain 2 max FAs in 2010? That would mean being unable to re-sign David Lee, so that max 2010 player and a MLE player in 2011 would have to be better than Lee and a 2011 Max FA. I think we can move Jeffries. But I don't think there is a 2011 MLE player that is better than Lee.

Finally, is the combined value of Arenas and the 2011 MLE player better than the the potential 2011 max FA we could get (Melo?)? That is the toughest question. You get Arenas now, you can use Chandler's bird rights in 2011 and you can sign an MLE player.

Notwithstanding all of the issues, unless you can get two max FAs in 2010 you probably should take the Arenas deal, if available (assuming other players would like to play with Arenas).

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1/16/2010  1:46 PM
I'm not sure if this is the best or worst idea ever.

Would yall rather pay Agent 0 or Joe Johnson?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/16/2010  2:05 PM
I'd rather pay Arenas if we can get him at a bargain basement price. And Joe Johnson never.
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1/16/2010  2:08 PM
the dude isnt a pg, hes been injured for 2 years, and his teams havent done much in the playoffs. he also doesnt play d... and we need more of these type of players???
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1/16/2010  2:09 PM
This is a move I might consider AFTER free agency, at least if we do get LeBron (if not, I'd prefer to hold off and wait for Melo in 2011). Arenas is definitely a risk. While he has the potential to pay off big, especially for a Curry/Jefferies deal, we've come too far in terms of the salary cap to potentially come away with Joe Johnson and and oft-injured Gilbert Arenas.
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1/16/2010  3:30 PM
Wshington would have to include this year's unprotected 1st rd pick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Change in Team Outlook: +23.4 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and +8.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Washington's unprotected 2010 1st rd pick
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
22.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 7.2 apg in 36.5 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
9.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 28.4 minutes
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Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
4.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.5 minutes
Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -23.4 ppg, -3.7 rpg, and -8.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Cuttino Mobley
6-4 SG from Rhode Island
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
4.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona
22.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 7.2 apg in 36.5 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
9.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.2 apg in 28.4 minutes

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1/16/2010  4:53 PM
LOL Arenas? LOL.
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1/16/2010  4:54 PM
Jared and Curry is a decent salary dump for that team...but I'm sure alot of teams would be interested in trading for Arenas regardless of the gun stuff...Clevland for one would probably welcome him with the blessing of Lebron...they can trade the ending contract of Big Z and some fillers for Arenas.

second thought....I'm scrolling throught the league and I can't find too many playoff teams or any team that could actually use Arenas' talants. Knicks trading Jared and Curry to get Arenas doesn't effect the current cap at all. Knicks would instantly become marginal contenders this season...and they still would be able to sign somebody big next season.....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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