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How come David Lee never scores 40 points in a game?
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JCHAN
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1/10/2010  2:33 PM
A lot of times, and I mean a LOT of times he has something like 20, 18, 16 points in the first half. He's a first half machine. But in the second half he tends to go away. I think he wishes that halftime didn't exist as his offense kind of cools off after the break. I'm not sure I see the defenses focusing on him more after a great half. I think a lot of times the offense breaks flow and guys aren't swinging the ball around like they should. Obviously the Rockets game is a good starter. What do you guys think?
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1/10/2010  2:38 PM
That's a healthy observation. I come with an answer.

Lee's offense is of the sort that feeds of the functions of the team as a whole. He's no Jordan. But he does this exceptionally well as is evidenced by his awesome efficiency. Often times, in the second half, the Knicks dwindle, they stagnate, and so as the team goes, goes David. Factor in his own fatigue from MDA playing him 40 minutes a night and you get a drastically reduced output in the second half.

What is required is a star player to take the load off in the first, have Lee maintain energy in the second, and you still have the same output, on a per game basis, out of David Lee.

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1/10/2010  2:51 PM
The opponents talk about it at halftime and then shut down the pick and roll. They also talk that he now has a jumpshot and make sure not to double down off of him. Then Lee's scoring disappears.

I really think it's as simple as that. Just a simple halftime adjustment by the opponent.

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1/10/2010  3:11 PM
teams make adjustments... it's up to Lee to make adjustments too... right now his game is so much predicated on the P&R... teams figure out ways to shut that down... Lee has been starting to take his man off the dribble more on isolations, & his perimeter J has been solid all year, so he's got the tools to adjust... just a matter of doing so.
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1/10/2010  3:13 PM
TMS wrote:teams make adjustments... it's up to Lee to make adjustments too... right now his game is so much predicated on the P&R... teams figure out ways to shut that down... Lee has been starting to take his man off the dribble more on isolations, & his perimeter J has been solid all year, so he's got the tools to adjust... just a matter of doing so.

Agree. This is way Lee is not in the same class as Bosh yet. Bosh can score 30 pts without relying on the P&R play every other time down the court.

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1/10/2010  3:57 PM
Lee only takes what the defense gives him. If they are going to swarm to Lee then someone else on the Knicks is going to have to step up. Its been Chandler lately. You will see those two dont directly feed off each other but notice when one is locked down the other is going off eating up easy shots.
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1/10/2010  4:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2010  4:48 PM
orangeblobman wrote:That's a healthy observation. I come with an answer.

Lee's offense is of the sort that feeds of the functions of the team as a whole. He's no Jordan. But he does this exceptionally well as is evidenced by his awesome efficiency. Often times, in the second half, the Knicks dwindle, they stagnate, and so as the team goes, goes David. Factor in his own fatigue from MDA playing him 40 minutes a night and you get a drastically reduced output in the second half.

What is required is a star player to take the load off in the first, have Lee maintain energy in the second, and you still have the same output, on a per game basis, out of David Lee.

This is where Lee game is now. If he will be able to rich higher and start taking over the game when team start to strugle, he will be a star in this league.
Can he do it or not we'll see when the make-or-brake-the-playoff games will start (and this is not far away).
He may also get to his best game this year already. Best for this year or may by the best game he can have as a pro.
In any case he became more that anybody expected already. So anyting possible.

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1/10/2010  6:07 PM
David never really forces the issue. I would rather have him score 20 points a game at 56% than 25 and 47%. He is very unselfish and he will only take what the defense gives him. I really he would get to the line more and average one more offensive rebound per game more.
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1/10/2010  6:11 PM
how about - why does he still suck on d? why cant he body up?
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1/10/2010  7:02 PM
Duhon has to distribute the ball to other players or learn to finish. As long as 40% of Duhon's assists go to Lee, and keep missing the lay ups, teams will take Lee away in the second half when the chips are down, he will have to either finish himself or pass to Gallo and Gallo has to knock the shots consistently (or drive), that will open the lanes for Lee to roll or pop.
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1/10/2010  8:11 PM
Lee's Mr. Consistent. He does his thing night after night.
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1/10/2010  9:10 PM
He doesn't demand the ball that much and only takes good shots. You gotta dominate the ball some to get 40.
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1/10/2010  9:45 PM
All I read is David lee doesnt play D or David lee isnt very good out of this system--or various other complaints --what about the guy is one helluva basketball player and were lucky hes on the team!
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1/10/2010  11:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:All I read is David lee doesnt play D or David lee isnt very good out of this system--or various other complaints --what about the guy is one helluva basketball player and were lucky hes on the team!

i've heard plenty of props thrown D Lee's way.

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1/11/2010  1:59 AM
There's a few reason why Lee can't score 40

1)Duhon is not deron will or chris p..so when the d is defending the PnR don't expect duhon to be able to adjust with any regularity.

2)Lee hardly ever takes bad shots which is why he shoots at a pretty impressive pct. 40 points requires lots of shot, or FT's.

3)Lee is not a go to guy at any point of a game, and will pass the ball in a heart beat rather then force the issue.

With the way lee plays he would be a monster if he played with a kidd, paul,deron, or nash.

Remember lee scored 35 pts against the GS last year when Duhon had a monster game with 22ast.

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1/11/2010  11:53 AM
Hard to score 40 without either making a lot of threes or getting to the line a lot. Neither of which is DLEE's MO.
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1/11/2010  12:25 PM
Lee's early dominance actually help. After half time team start to double leaving open shots for others
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/11/2010  2:25 PM
kam77 wrote:Hard to score 40 without either making a lot of threes or getting to the line a lot. Neither of which is DLEE's MO.

this is true... Lee does not dominate the ball & get to the line enough to score 40... he'll have his unbelievable games like the one where Duhon broke the Knicks record for assists, but any good player will have nights like that every once in a blue moon... Lee is as consistent as they come putting up 18 & 10 every night, but until he starts dominating the ball more he will never be a featured go to scorer on any team.

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