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Finestrg
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1/6/2010  10:54 AM
Did they come out with a bottom line for the salary cap ceiling for next year yet or is it still to be determined? Haven't heard anything about this recently. I think it's now imperative that we find a way to bring David Lee back for next year + one max. FA (hopefully LeBron - everyone say a prayer every day). Anyone hear anything on this lately??
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1/6/2010  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2010  11:05 AM
Not yet. But I read somewhere that the Knicks are working with a hypothetical 54m$ cap while some other teams are planning around an even higher number.
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1/6/2010  11:13 AM
Word is it won't be as low as expected. It certainly won't be 50M. It probably won't even be 53M. 54M+ I think is the understood numbers the league is dealing with.

It's a moot point however as a max contract is based on the cap number. The lower the cap the lower a max contract - so in theory it doesn't mess up a team's desire to sign a max FA just because the number lowered.

If you can afford a max FA today you can afford one tomorrow regardless of how far the cap drops. Max contracts are a fixed percentage of the cap. So the cap drops, the max contract numbers drop, and you'll still be able to afford one.

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1/6/2010  11:14 AM
Numbers don't come out until after the season ends. $54M is about right.

I am trying to confirm, but I think David's cap hold would be 1.5 times his salary. These are the number I have, obviously I made up some data:


2009 2010 2010 capholds
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Hughes 13.7
Mobley 9.5
Darko 7.5
Harrington 10
Curry 10.5 11.3 11.3
Jefferies 6.5 6.8 6.8
Gallo 3 3.3 3.3
Chandler 1.3 2.1 2.1
Hill 2.5 2.7 2.7
Douglas 1 1 1
Duhon 6
Nate 4 0
Lee 7 8 10.5
LeBron 15 15
Bender 0.5 0.5
Landry 0.5 0.5
cap holds 7 3 3
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82.5 54 56.5
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Cap: 54 0 -2.5
Cap: 55 1 -1.5
Cap: 56 2 -0.5
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Finestrg
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1/6/2010  11:22 AM
martin wrote:Numbers don't come out until after the season ends. $54M is about right.

I am trying to confirm, but I think David's cap hold would be 1.5 times his salary. These are the number I have, obviously I made up some data:


2009 2010 2010 capholds
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Hughes 13.7
Mobley 9.5
Darko 7.5
Harrington 10
Curry 10.5 11.3 11.3
Jefferies 6.5 6.8 6.8
Gallo 3 3.3 3.3
Chandler 1.3 2.1 2.1
Hill 2.5 2.7 2.7
Douglas 1 1 1
Duhon 6
Nate 4 0
Lee 7 8 10.5
LeBron 15 15
Bender 0.5 0.5
Landry 0.5 0.5
cap holds 7 3 3
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82.5 54 56.5
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Cap: 54 0 -2.5
Cap: 55 1 -1.5
Cap: 56 2 -0.5

Looks good. So you think long-term deals for Lee and LeBron starting at 8 & 15 respectively will get 'er done?

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1/6/2010  11:49 AM
quick question

for example we sign LBJ and another superstar can we still resign d.lee etc to contracts and go above the salary cap?

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1/6/2010  11:50 AM
Finestrg wrote:
martin wrote:Numbers don't come out until after the season ends. $54M is about right.

I am trying to confirm, but I think David's cap hold would be 1.5 times his salary. These are the number I have, obviously I made up some data:


2009 2010 2010 capholds
------------------------------------------------
Hughes 13.7
Mobley 9.5
Darko 7.5
Harrington 10
Curry 10.5 11.3 11.3
Jefferies 6.5 6.8 6.8
Gallo 3 3.3 3.3
Chandler 1.3 2.1 2.1
Hill 2.5 2.7 2.7
Douglas 1 1 1
Duhon 6
Nate 4 0
Lee 7 8 10.5
LeBron 15 15
Bender 0.5 0.5
Landry 0.5 0.5
cap holds 7 3 3
-------------------------------------------------
82.5 54 56.5
-------------------------------------------------
Cap: 54 0 -2.5
Cap: 55 1 -1.5
Cap: 56 2 -0.5

Looks good. So you think long-term deals for Lee and LeBron starting at 8 & 15 respectively will get 'er done?

no. I made up david's number before the season. He is now prob in the $10-12 range.

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1/6/2010  1:43 PM
Man what a shame -- we need that max player AND Lee....It disgusting - Curry and Jeffries are just cap killers for us....Hopefully we can find a team out there that'll have interest in Jeffries by the deadline - at least he's playing better and contributing on most nights (truth be told, I don't think I've ever seen this guy play better, even in his days with Washington. I don't think his value has ever been higher). We unload Jeffries, we then have the wiggle room to do what we need to do...Curry ain't going anywhere...
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1/6/2010  2:14 PM
Finestrg wrote:Man what a shame -- we need that max player AND Lee....It disgusting - Curry and Jeffries are just cap killers for us....Hopefully we can find a team out there that'll have interest in Jeffries by the deadline - at least he's playing better and contributing on most nights (truth be told, I don't think I've ever seen this guy play better, even in his days with Washington. I don't think his value has ever been higher). We unload Jeffries, we then have the wiggle room to do what we need to do...Curry ain't going anywhere...

I think Jordan Hill is really the big cap killer. We should try to move him for a late first round pick. Obviously, Curry is unmovable. But we can create almost $3M in cap space by moving Hill. I'd buy out Curry for $9M on his last season of his deal. that saves another $2M. We can use that $5M to give Bron a max and DLee a starting deal at $10M.

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1/6/2010  3:29 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Man what a shame -- we need that max player AND Lee....It disgusting - Curry and Jeffries are just cap killers for us....Hopefully we can find a team out there that'll have interest in Jeffries by the deadline - at least he's playing better and contributing on most nights (truth be told, I don't think I've ever seen this guy play better, even in his days with Washington. I don't think his value has ever been higher). We unload Jeffries, we then have the wiggle room to do what we need to do...Curry ain't going anywhere...

I think Jordan Hill is really the big cap killer. We should try to move him for a late first round pick. Obviously, Curry is unmovable. But we can create almost $3M in cap space by moving Hill. I'd buy out Curry for $9M on his last season of his deal. that saves another $2M. We can use that $5M to give Bron a max and DLee a starting deal at $10M.

When you buy a player out, his contract counts against the cap like he hadn't been bought out.

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