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holfresh
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1/2/2010  1:24 AM

Curry...

So we lose a few games getting this guy into the flow of the offense...So what...We are looking at around 30 wins anyway...The kid is lost like 30 pounds and looks fit...He looks quick on his feet...He was a load to handle at one point...He will be on the roster until his contract ends at thism pace..No one is trading for a guy making 11 mil per riding the pine..

I know this goes against everyting MDA believes, but a low post presence can help now that Lee is knocking down his J...

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1/2/2010  1:29 AM
we can't let Curry play, he doesn't fit MDA's new system... Nate's 1 on 5 game is the new system now according to nixluva.
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1/2/2010  1:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  1:41 AM
Curry has a long ways to go before he'll dominate on the court again, although we've never seen him in better shape. I'm just not sure we can pump his value up enough to ship him out of here.

Winning makes everyone look better, and I don't think we should ruin that flow just yet. Jeffries is finally looking like a player, and I'd focus on finding a trade for him first and foremost. Sometimes it's alright to settle for the double instead of the homerun.

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1/2/2010  1:44 AM
i think our best hope is that Nate is showcased from now til the trade deadline & we can somehow use him to dump Fishlips' contract... that would seem to be the best possible outcome for our longterm goals & for MDA's sanity.
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1/2/2010  2:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  2:14 AM
TMS...........

here's the difference between eddy curry's impact on any game v/s nate's:
1. curry has no heart
2. curry does not know how to be a passing big man
3. curry has offensive fouls 3 ft away from the basket
4. curry sucks on defense. he is worse than Lee on defense..........and Lee is pretty bad!!!
5. he and wilson chandler average the same number of rebounds for their careers.
6. the guy cannot block a shot.........or chooses not to.

your 1 on 5 analysis of Nate's game is ridiculous. he had 6 rebounds and 8 assists........did you miss that? When the guy is hot, of course he is going to shoot. If he was 6 of 24 from the field, you would have a legit beef.

holfresh, curry was a load to handle at one time........yeah sure on offense!! coz no one could handle his 375 lb frame! not anymore, people are not worried about defending him coz they know their own team's center is gonna have the easiest game that night against curry.

i would trade curry for a guy like javale mcgee every single day.

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1/2/2010  2:25 AM
Cartman718 wrote:TMS...........

here's the difference between eddy curry's impact on any game v/s nate's:
1. curry has no heart
2. curry does not know how to be a passing big man
3. curry has offensive fouls 3 ft away from the basket
4. curry sucks on defense. he is worse than Lee on defense..........and Lee is pretty bad!!!
5. he and wilson chandler average the same number of rebounds for their careers.
6. the guy cannot block a shot.........or chooses not to.

your 1 on 5 analysis of Nate's game is ridiculous. he had 6 rebounds and 8 assists........did you miss that? When the guy is hot, of course he is going to shoot. If he was 6 of 24 from the field, you would have a legit beef.

holfresh, curry was a load to handle at one time........yeah sure on offense!! coz no one could handle his 375 lb frame! not anymore, people are not worried about defending him coz they know their own team's center is gonna have the easiest game that night against curry.

i would trade curry for a guy like javale mcgee every single day.

u must have missed the sarcasm in my first post but i am in no way trying to defend Eddy Curry, so no need to bring up the weaknesses in his game... i know all about them, trust me.

Nate played the way he's played his entire career... what does rebounding have to do w/being a 1 on 5 player? that is how he plays dude, have u not been watching him his entire career? what, u think tonight he showed u something he's never shown you before? u think i have a beef with how Nate played tonight? maybe u ought to read all the posts i've been making all night on the game & Nate related threads before u cast assumptions about my stance on the guy?... i know the type of player he is... i appreciate him for what he brings to the table... i also know about the weaknesses in his game & why he's not a good fit for MDA or his system... i am a realist.

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1/2/2010  2:36 AM
U know it's amazing how passionate some get about why a player shouldn't play until he steps on the court and drops 41...
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1/2/2010  3:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  3:47 AM
What has curry ever dominated besides the buffet line? And I don't know about you but I don't want Lee shooting J's. Lee shooting J's should be like a 4th option on offense.
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1/2/2010  6:14 AM
Please give up with this. Enough with trying to prop up Isiah's leftovers as some sort of can't miss talents that we are purposely not playing. Eddy Curry is a disgrace to basketball. He needed to lose 50 lbs he should have never even gained just to get onto the court. And when he did eventually get on it, he sucked. He is untradeable and his Knick and probable basketball career is over. Forget about this waste of talent. We've given him enough chances and he's failed. It's over. Finished. Finito. Sayonara. Move on.
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1/2/2010  6:27 AM
Unlike Nate, Curry is so bad, the team simply falls apart when he is on the floor. So much that it is embarrassing. Can't play him, he is just that bad. Needs to go to the NBDL to get back into basketball shape.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/2/2010  11:39 AM
Curry can't dominate the way we play now! MDA has his roles defined and there is no spot for Curry. If he didn't bog things down it could work, but the way we play now it's gonna be harder for him. I'm not saying he'll never fit in, I'm saying he won't dominate in this style.

Also Nate played a more complete game and more focused than he had before the benching. MDA knows Nate is a scorer and he said as much before the game. MDA wasn't trying to change that, just harness it. Make more part of the attack as opposed to an out of control wildcard! MDA can fit him into the gameplan easier now that other roles are more established. This was what we lacked but if Nate is under control this team is more dangerous. The team D was very good again, but now we had the scoring punch and penetration we've been missing. Unlike the Orlando game we had Nate scoring, but we still defended and were able to catch them and take the lead!!! That's what was different!

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1/2/2010  11:46 AM
I think everyone on this board is both well aware of Curry's flaws and watched the best stretch of his career as well.

I hope but don't expect that a light bulb clicks for this guy and he realizes how good he CAN be.

?s is what's more important for us this season:

- showcasing Curry and getting his crappy contract off the books

- trying to get Ws, maybe sneak into the playoffs..do something like what the Bulls did last season and convince a superstar that we're just a piece or two away from contending (even if we're much further).


and last, but not least,

can we win while showcasing Curry??? Does MDA have it in him to come up with a way to do both?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/2/2010  11:54 AM
How far off from winning are we? Cav's n Heat wouldn't be as good as we r minus Lebron or Wade! We're already proving a point. Getting into the playoffs would put the exclamation point on this team. We only had a slim shot at moving Curry to begin with. Time to give up on that I think. Another strong month and we're a playoff team!
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1/2/2010  12:05 PM
nixluva wrote:How far off from winning are we? Cav's n Heat wouldn't be as good as we r minus Lebron or Wade! We're already proving a point. Getting into the playoffs would put the exclamation point on this team. We only had a slim shot at moving Curry to begin with. Time to give up on that I think. Another strong month and we're a playoff team!

We are still on pace to win 30-31 games...Getting to the playoffs isn't more important than developing players...This team getting to the playoff with a shortened rotation helps 2 people...MDA and Dolan...

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1/2/2010  12:05 PM
You have to have a team built around Curry or Nate to win with them because they are flawed players.

Nate cannot play on this team and do what he does, and at the same time allow us to play the matchup zone that has been the key to our last month.

We can play Nate and Curry, but we'll win at half the clip we have been. I'm not sure why that doesn't matter to some of the posters here.

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1/2/2010  12:06 PM
holfresh wrote:U know it's amazing how passionate some get about why a player shouldn't play until he steps on the court and drops 41...

But Nate is always in shape and has proven over the past 2 years that he can have games like he did last night.

Curry has not shown much on the floor this year and I wonder what he is showing MDA in practice?

If Curry was a great rebounder, shot blocker, passer, or defender, you could see him getting some minutes, but the only thing he might be able to do now is score, and even that ability seemed limited based on the minutes he played for us earlier in the year.

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1/2/2010  12:16 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:You have to have a team built around Curry or Nate to win with them because they are flawed players.

Nate cannot play on this team and do what he does, and at the same time allow us to play the matchup zone that has been the key to our last month.

We can play Nate and Curry, but we'll win at half the clip we have been. I'm not sure why that doesn't matter to some of the posters here.

We can win with Nate if he puts in a strong effort on D. He isn't long but uses his quickness to help make up for it.

Holfresh, who cares about pace of wins. That doesn't mean squat! The team is playing much better and it's doubtful that they'd only win 30 to 31 games the way we are right now. In case you haven't noticed this isn't the 1-9 team anymore. This team is playing VERY well and has a sense of how it wants to play. We actually have an identity now. Our defense works against teams with the exception on the top tier. That's gonna be enough to get in the playoffs.

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1/2/2010  12:21 PM
nixluva wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:You have to have a team built around Curry or Nate to win with them because they are flawed players.

Nate cannot play on this team and do what he does, and at the same time allow us to play the matchup zone that has been the key to our last month.

We can play Nate and Curry, but we'll win at half the clip we have been. I'm not sure why that doesn't matter to some of the posters here.

We can win with Nate if he puts in a strong effort on D. He isn't long but uses his quickness to help make up for it.

Holfresh, who cares about pace of wins. That doesn't mean squat! The team is playing much better and it's doubtful that they'd only win 30 to 31 games the way we are right now. In case you haven't noticed this isn't the 1-9 team anymore. This team is playing VERY well and has a sense of how it wants to play. We actually have an identity now. Our defense works against teams with the exception on the top tier. That's gonna be enough to get in the playoffs.

Question...So do you think its more important to get to the playoffs this year than to see what Curry or Hill has as players?

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1/2/2010  12:32 PM
nixluva wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:You have to have a team built around Curry or Nate to win with them because they are flawed players.

Nate cannot play on this team and do what he does, and at the same time allow us to play the matchup zone that has been the key to our last month.

We can play Nate and Curry, but we'll win at half the clip we have been. I'm not sure why that doesn't matter to some of the posters here.

We can win with Nate if he puts in a strong effort on D. He isn't long but uses his quickness to help make up for it.

Holfresh, who cares about pace of wins. That doesn't mean squat! The team is playing much better and it's doubtful that they'd only win 30 to 31 games the way we are right now. In case you haven't noticed this isn't the 1-9 team anymore. This team is playing VERY well and has a sense of how it wants to play. We actually have an identity now. Our defense works against teams with the exception on the top tier. That's gonna be enough to get in the playoffs.

Our identity is the matchup zone and sharing the ball on offense.

Which part of that does Nate fit into again? Or Curry for that matter?

Bringing Nate into the game requires the Knicks to make a drastic change in style.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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1/2/2010  1:22 PM
LMAO @ Eddy Curry dominating.
We have another player at the end of the bench that can dominate...

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