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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
12/30/2009 6:17 PM
Not quite the same guy on D but everything else is close to a replica.
RIP Crushalot😞
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cuieee
Posts: 20061 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2008 Member: #2070 Australia |
12/30/2009 6:43 PM
Moonangie wrote:The premise of the OP question would have to apply to every white player in the league, which is absurd. David Lee would be considered equivalent to Amare if he blocked a few more shots. IMO, he is approaching the better-than-Amare level on offense already. And there is no comparison on the character issue, DLee gets the nod hands down. I disagree on the character issue comparison, Amare has gone through a lot in his life and has handled it admirably. Heres an excerpt from his wikipedia page...
Stoudemire was born in Lake Wales, Florida. His father died when he was twelve, and his mother Carrie was in and out of prison during that time also. As a result, he attended six different high schools before graduating from Cypress Creek High School in Orlando, Florida. He told Isaac Perry in an article for Dime Magazine that what kept him going in that time period was God and the words of rapper Tupac Shakur. ... In November 2008, Stoudemire received the NBA's Community Assist Award, for his work with his Each 1, Teach 1 Foundation, and its efforts to provide safe drinking water in Sierra Leone by funding the building of water wells in impoverished villages. Stoudemire visited the country in Summer 2008, making visits to water well sites and meeting with President Ernest Bai Koroma and the rest of the cabinet.[18]"
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JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 6/14/2005 Member: #910 USA |
12/30/2009 7:13 PM
AI wrote:If David Lee was black would he be compared to Amare.....people would even say he is better. He is white and he is seen as scrappy player... That's not true at all dude. Is Milsap a scrappy player? Yes. Lee's basically a finesse leaning Milsap. Watch Amare for five minutes, he's playing a different game than Lee. He's more of a help defender, but not as efficient a rebounder. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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Olbrannon
Posts: 21913 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/2/2009 Member: #2919 USA |
12/30/2009 7:13 PM LAST EDITED: 12/30/2009 7:29 PM
D Lee first 4+ years avg 11.7 points and 9.2 rebs
D Cowens first 4 years avg (approx) 18.5 points and 15.5 rebounds And that also neglects that Cowens averaged a block and a steal a game over the years the statistics were kept. And Cowens had over double the assists his first 4 compared to Lee. (statistics gleened from http://www.basketball-reference.com/) Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans
"The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
12/30/2009 10:36 PM
Lee is a very athletic player. He won a college slam dunk contest and almost entered the draft out of high school. His college career was not as spectacular as expected and he was one of those four year guys that teams by pass for potential. I think some of Lee's scrappy label comes from the fact that he very undersized for the center position. Amare possess freakish athleticism for a guy his size and Lee is not in that category.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 6/14/2005 Member: #910 USA |
12/30/2009 11:11 PM
Dude, its not a mystery, he's called scrappy because he's a junkballer for the most part until his recent jumper addition.
He scores off of tipping balls to himself, crazy off-hand shots, and catching pick and roll exchanges that other bigs could not. He IS scrappy, that's why people call him that. Rodman was scrappy, and he wasn't white. What's the difference?
Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
12/31/2009 12:41 AM
Olbrannon wrote:D Lee first 4+ years avg 11.7 points and 9.2 rebs David Lee wasn't Dave Cownes 4 years ago--he is now-minus some D. RIP Crushalot😞
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TheGame
Posts: 26647 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
12/31/2009 4:06 AM
The problem I have with Lee's game is that he is not very physical. He uses his speed and superior coordination to get by people and he has a soft touch around the basket. However, he never really overpowers his opponent and still does not command double-teams. He is a very good player, someone who we should have resigned for $8-$9 million per year. However, are Lee's numbers the product of this system, which seems tailor-made for his skill set, or is he a legit 20/10 power forward? If Lee played better defense and got 1.5 blocks a game, then I would say he is an All-star, but right now, he is just a solid PF.
Trust the Process
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Paladin55
Posts: 24321 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/6/2008 Member: #2098 |
12/31/2009 4:14 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Olbrannon wrote:D Lee first 4+ years avg 11.7 points and 9.2 rebs A lot of the rebounding numbers were higher when he played- you did not have the overall athleticism that you have today, so certain players could dominate. Hell-he had 15 RPG his first year and was only 7th in the league. I can actually see some similarities in their games, but... Cowens' defense and defensive hustle is what sets him apart from Lee by a pretty good margin, IMO. I was watching the NBA when he played, and I always rooted against the Celtics, but Cowens was a warrior, and you had to admire him. Like Lee, he was somewhat undersized as a center, but he was never the defensive liability Lee is. He was not a shot blocking stud in the middle, but he played much better positional D than Lee does, and was much more aggressive as a help defender. Lee may actually be more polished offensively, but Cowens was solid on offense and could pass quite well. Interesting comparison, though- one I never thought of making.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
12/31/2009 7:57 AM
Lee played C in college for Florida, so playing around the rim has always been his strong point. He worked hard and developed a jumpshot over the summer is looking for a big payday.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
12/31/2009 10:10 AM
David Lee is scrappy. However, he is also quite athletic, has developed a nice midrange game, can post a little and take guys off the dribble. His defense still isnt that good but hes making strides. Im just praying, for his sake, that this isnt for the contract.
Amare is still a better player, but like Bosh, the gap is starting to get just a little smaller. People who look at him and see that hes white and jump to believe hes only scrappy either arent seeing properly, dont know much about basketball, or are stereotyping. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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joec32033
Posts: 30621 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #583 USA |
12/31/2009 10:32 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:David Lee is scrappy. However, he is also quite athletic, has developed a nice midrange game, can post a little and take guys off the dribble. His defense still isnt that good but hes making strides. Im just praying, for his sake, that this isnt for the contract. The think with me is the guys with Lee's style of play ALWAYS play very good defense so he is hard to categorize, to me anyway. The guys I think of when I see Lee is Kevin McHale, Shawn Marion, Horace Grant type of player but he doesn't play man D as well as any of them. ~You can't run from who you are.~
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27678 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
12/31/2009 10:43 AM
sebstar wrote:AI wrote:If David Lee was black would he be compared to Amare.....people would even say he is better. He is white and he is seen as scrappy player... How can you say Lee is relatively un-athletic? From the date of his combine results on (where he was rated as the most athletic player in the draft) he has shown an exceptional athletic ability. Offensively on the low block, he may be as skilled as anyone in the league. His range is questionable, but it is clear that he is adding the mid-range jumper to his repertoire. Defensively, he needs to step it up a notch. Where I agree with you is the franchise level talent. I don't think he can carry the offensive load where defenses are targeting him to shut him down. He'll still make an impact while cleaning the glass and putting back shots. You know I gonna spin wit it
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