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holfresh
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12/19/2009  3:50 PM

This has to be the worst basketball I have seen in my 35+ of watching NY Knick basketball…The Rory Sparrow years were bad, but this is certainly up there…Please don’t tell MDA is a good coach, I’m not buying it… How is jacking up threes in Seven Seconds Or Less a good concept for winning basketball in the NBA… Playoff basketball is usually won because of defense, rebounding, and knocking down free throws… None of which are the Knicks’ emphasis…Our emphasis is knocking down threes…If we hit them then it’s a great game…If we don’t hit them, then we are jacking up threes and not taking them in the flow of the game… Jared Jeffries took more threes in preseason than he took twos…

The kids are not learning to play the game in what Larry Brown would say “the right way“…Chandler has game… He looks like he can post and is very effective driving the ball to the hole…We just don’t see enough of it…He jacks up way too many threes…Gallo took 15 three point shots against Chicago and it’s not the most he has taken this season in a single game…He too, looks like he can post, but we will never know will we….

For the life of me, please explain why John Bender is making it off the bench before Curry… Curry at his best means more to this organization than Bender at his best….Are we really trying to win now?? Really??…U are not winning this game without inside presence…Dlee, who is having a great year on the offensive end, is not inside presence…By the way, do we have another play besides the pick and roll???

And why is Nate at the end of MDA’s bench???…Why was Marbs at the end of MDA’s bench???…Can 6-8 guys really play 42 mins a game for the rest of the season….Seeing what happened to Duhon last year wasn’t enough I guess…When does anyone start questioning what MDA is trying to do here…Does he get a pass until we sign a big free agent???…So three years into the job is when he gets scrutinized??…It’s going to be a long season…..
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sidsanders
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12/19/2009  4:08 PM
why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.
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12/19/2009  4:10 PM
Having Eddy Curry in the games isn't going to change anything.

He is a disgrace.
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12/19/2009  4:12 PM
Having Eddy Curry in the game changes a lot actually. Just take a look at his +/- from the other night.
holfresh
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12/19/2009  4:16 PM
Curry isn't going anywhere...No one wants him...It's either we eat his 11 mil this year and next or we see if he has anything left in the tank...What do we have to lose???...It's not like we have a better option...Winning 30 games again is our goal...Thats what we are looking forward to...
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12/19/2009  4:23 PM
I'm with you, and thought about a similar post, only as a poll to ask people if they have soured on MDA.

I defended him last year. But lately, all of that stuff - Hill cemented, Douglas yanked for a bad three in Chicago while the rest of the squad jacked all night long, no development of youth, Nate buried, seemingly forever- has me really thinking, he's not a good coach.

He'll look like a good coach with good players. But without good players, I think he's been exposed.
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12/19/2009  4:35 PM
The Answer Man Enjoys Being Snowed In With A Laundry List Of Angry Questions

Q. holfresh - please explain why John Bender is making it off the bench before Curry?

A. Chicks dig seven footers with three point range

Q. holfresh - Are we really trying to win now?

A. Always and forever. The politics and seat prices at Madison Square Garden mandate that the Knicks must win now. Herm Edwards: "You play to win the game"

Q. holfresh - Curry at his best means more to this organization than Bender at his best?

A. No way dude. I take Bender in a one on one with Curry every day of the week. Versatility and experience is a beautiful thing.

holfresh - By the way, do we have another play besides the pick and roll?

A. Nope. Next question.

Q. holfresh - And why is Nate at the end of MDA’s bench?

A. Actually Nate is right in the middle of the bench, cheering and supporting his teammates. Darko is at the end, sulking.

Q. holfresh - Why was Marbs at the end of MDA’s bench?

A. Marbs was not at the end of the bench. He was sent home to make home videos. Rumor has it he's headed to Europe to host a talk show, I can't wait. Check back with Marc Berman for daily updates.

Q. holfresh - Can 6-8 guys really play 42 mins a game for the rest of the season?

A. Definitely not. However, if Jordan Hill can make a few baby steps by February, and the current rotation can stay healthy - that makes nine.

Q. holfresh - When does anyone start questioning what MDA is trying to do here?

A. Right now. You start...

Q. holfresh - Does (Walsh) get a pass until we sign a big free agent?

A. Yes. My money is still on Bosh and a FA to be named later not named Lebron. Or he shocks the world and holds the chedda until 2011.

Q. holfresh - So three years into the job is when (D'Antoni) gets scrutinized?

A. Only when he loses. If he wins and makes the playoffs all bets are off

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holfresh
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12/19/2009  4:41 PM
Earl,

Only when he loses???...Isiah won more games in his first year...We are 9-17 not 17-9...
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12/19/2009  5:07 PM
sidsanders wrote:why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.

i can't figure that one out either... how does a guy who we picked up off the scrap heap that hasn't played in 4 years mean more to us than playing our #8 lottery pick does? i don't get it at all... having Bender here is fine, i got no problem w/that, but seeing him get minutes over Hill or even Curry at this point just doesn't make sense... our longterm future is predicated on the development of Hill & on trying to get Curry's trade value up, not on Bender having a resurgence in the NBA... that can happen AFTER the trade deadline... i have no idea WTF MDA is doing w/the way he's been handling Jordan Hill.

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12/19/2009  5:09 PM
Guys you seem to have NO IDEA what MDA's offense really is. Just cuz our players can't really execute the offense the right way, doesn't mean that MDA is any less an innovative coach. The fact that this team has gone from utter disaster to a team that has a chance to put something together is a good thing.

It was said that he either didn't know how to coach D or had no real defensive strategy and in fact he does and it's clear how he wants to play. He wants to have a lot of length and skill on the floor and with the addition of bender he's closer to that goal than ever before. We play with guys that can cover more positions and it keeps things fluid on offense and defense. Our points allowed this month has been under 100.

Look we're 6-4 in the last 10 which shows a nice upswing. We could easily have won another game or so, but overall things are turning around for this team. What you have to imagine is what this team is gonna look like with better players added.
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12/19/2009  5:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2009  5:14 PM
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.

i can't figure that one out either... how does a guy who we picked up off the scrap heap that hasn't played in 4 years mean more to us than playing our #8 lottery pick does? i don't get it at all... having Bender here is fine, i got no problem w/that, but seeing him get minutes over Hill or even Curry at this point just doesn't make sense... our longterm future is predicated on the development of Hill & on trying to get Curry's trade value up, not on Bender having a resurgence in the NBA... that can happen AFTER the trade deadline... i have no idea WTF MDA is doing w/the way he's been handling Jordan Hill.

Exactly. You raise some good points. MDA's handling of J. Hill's definitely the biggest mystery I've even seen, that's for sure...
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12/19/2009  5:21 PM
Finestrg wrote:
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.

i can't figure that one out either... how does a guy who we picked up off the scrap heap that hasn't played in 4 years mean more to us than playing our #8 lottery pick does? i don't get it at all... having Bender here is fine, i got no problem w/that, but seeing him get minutes over Hill or even Curry at this point just doesn't make sense... our longterm future is predicated on the development of Hill & on trying to get Curry's trade value up, not on Bender having a resurgence in the NBA... that can happen AFTER the trade deadline... i have no idea WTF MDA is doing w/the way he's been handling Jordan Hill.

Exactly. You raise some good points. MDA's handling of J. Hill's definitely the biggest mystery I've even seen, that's for sure...

You gotta figure Hill's just not ready - or not that good- and/or doesn't fit anywhere in the current scheme.

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12/19/2009  5:22 PM
Finestrg wrote:
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.

i can't figure that one out either... how does a guy who we picked up off the scrap heap that hasn't played in 4 years mean more to us than playing our #8 lottery pick does? i don't get it at all... having Bender here is fine, i got no problem w/that, but seeing him get minutes over Hill or even Curry at this point just doesn't make sense... our longterm future is predicated on the development of Hill & on trying to get Curry's trade value up, not on Bender having a resurgence in the NBA... that can happen AFTER the trade deadline... i have no idea WTF MDA is doing w/the way he's been handling Jordan Hill.

Exactly. You raise some good points. MDA's handling of J. Hill's definitely the biggest mystery I've even seen, that's for sure...

Hill ain't ready! It's that simple. MDA sees him all the time and i'm sure that the kid has a lot to learn cuz he's never had to play in the way he does now for MDA in addition to the higher level of play in the NBA. Why worry about it when the kid can come along at his own pace and not have to rush. We're winning games now and this isn't the time to force the kid in there. Win as many games as we can and he's gonna be there to learn anyway.
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12/19/2009  5:45 PM
I actually think Bender is a better fit then curry and hill ( deep threat) i also think bender can be very use full in practice. Right now no one on this team knows how to deliver the ball to curry in the post. Curry has gone from waiting til the double team comes before he makes his move, to rushing his shots.

There's no rush to put hill out there, he's not close to being a factor yet. Had this been march and we were 10 games out, then you have a argument.

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12/19/2009  5:58 PM
Hill aint ready. But you do not get ready collecting butt splinters. Run him out there.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/19/2009  6:02 PM
kam77 wrote:Hill aint ready. But you do not get ready collecting butt splinters. Run him out there.

It's all about timing. It's not the right time to do that. We actually have a stretch of games where we can get some wins and I think we have to go hard to try and get wins. Now at some point I believe a trade is gonna go down, so some things may change. Right now tho it's not the end of the world cuz he's not playing.
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12/19/2009  6:31 PM
kam77 wrote:Hill aint ready. But you do not get ready collecting butt splinters. Run him out there.

MDA is feeling that we can actually make a playoff run. He even alluded to this when talking about whether or not Hill might go to the DL, implying that it is difficult to develop a player when you are contending for a spot in the playoffs.

There are only FIVE teams with winning records in the Eastern Conference, and one of them, Miami, is only 13-11, and a Wade injury from being a team just like the Knicks.

It is not impossible for this Knicks team to make the playoffs in the EC. This is why Hill is not playing. This is why they are only going to give Curry so many minutes of futility before pulling him from a game.

For the minutes Bender played he was pretty productive, and he seems to be able to move well considering his time off from the game. Don't know if he will continue to improve, but we will see.

I have not given up on Hill, but obviously MDA thinks he is not ready. He would be getting good minutes on certain losing team, but for now, we are vying for a playoff spot, and he is going to ride the pine.

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12/19/2009  6:52 PM
nixluva wrote:Guys you seem to have NO IDEA what MDA's offense really is. Just cuz our players can't really execute the offense the right way, doesn't mean that MDA is any less an innovative coach. The fact that this team has gone from utter disaster to a team that has a chance to put something together is a good thing.

It was said that he either didn't know how to coach D or had no real defensive strategy and in fact he does and it's clear how he wants to play. He wants to have a lot of length and skill on the floor and with the addition of bender he's closer to that goal than ever before. We play with guys that can cover more positions and it keeps things fluid on offense and defense. Our points allowed this month has been under 100.

Look we're 6-4 in the last 10 which shows a nice upswing. We could easily have won another game or so, but overall things are turning around for this team. What you have to imagine is what this team is gonna look like with better players added.

If MDA's offense is jacking up 47 three point attempts a game I want no part of it. If it involves playing the vets on one year deals over lottery picks so that the team can win at a rate of 35% this year I don't see the logic of it and I don't want it. I don't see the defensive strategy that is being coached and I am not sure how he wants to play on defense. I know whenever his show is on he is pointing out good individual defense by players but I have never seen or recognized a specific team concept that would indicate a defensive strategy.

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12/19/2009  7:11 PM
nixluva wrote:Hill ain't ready! It's that simple. MDA sees him all the time and i'm sure that the kid has a lot to learn cuz he's never had to play in the way he does now for MDA

curious, how do u know he's never had to play the way he does now for MDA? did u see him play in college? i saw him play in several games & i'll tell u right now he's custom built to play in a P&R style offense & he excelled in it in college... he also blocks shots, fights for rebounds, bodies up on defense, runs the floor & finishes w/the best of them... kid has a great turn around J that he uses effectively along w/a right handed baby hook shot that he can knock down w/regularity... he also has a solid midrange jumpshot that he's already displayed to Knick fans in the limited run he's gotten this year... no he doesn't knock down 3's, but neither does D Lee & i don't hear anyone saying he's a horrible fit for MDA's system either... don't tell me we can't find a place to get this kid minutes when we're running 6 man rotations out there... that's nonsense.

it's true MDA sees this kid in practice more than anyone so if he deems he's not ready yet, that's his call... but i'll be damned if anyone can convince me that a guy who hasn't played in 4 years that just had 2 practices w/this team is already more familiar w/MDA's system than Jordan Hill is who's been practicing w/this team all year & played in a similar system all last year in college... that's just silly talk.

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BasketballJones wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
TMS wrote:
sidsanders wrote:why is bender coming in before hill? i have given up any hope curry will ever be able to play well to help ny. maybe he will figure it out for some other team.

i can't figure that one out either... how does a guy who we picked up off the scrap heap that hasn't played in 4 years mean more to us than playing our #8 lottery pick does? i don't get it at all... having Bender here is fine, i got no problem w/that, but seeing him get minutes over Hill or even Curry at this point just doesn't make sense... our longterm future is predicated on the development of Hill & on trying to get Curry's trade value up, not on Bender having a resurgence in the NBA... that can happen AFTER the trade deadline... i have no idea WTF MDA is doing w/the way he's been handling Jordan Hill.

Exactly. You raise some good points. MDA's handling of J. Hill's definitely the biggest mystery I've even seen, that's for sure...

You gotta figure Hill's just not ready - or not that good- and/or doesn't fit anywhere in the current scheme.

i think he's very good... Finestrg will attest to that i'm sure, he watched plenty of Arizona games last year when we were discussing Hill, Wise & Budinger as prospects... i'm no draft guru just giving my overall impression of his game... if he wasn't a great fit for what MDA wanted to run here we wouldn't have taken him to begin with... i dunno what's going on w/him but whether MDA deems him ready or not, i think he should absolutely be seeing regular burn after the trade deadline passes, playoffs or no playoffs.

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