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Has McDyess Peaked?
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TRU
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12/29/2003  11:02 AM
It's clear that he won't be the "20 and 10" monster he had been in the past. Last game he came off the bench to deliver 12pts. and 8 rbnds... With the way Kurt is playing this year he deserves to start. But if we could consistently get that kind of work from McDyess off the bench, keep his minutes low, it would be really good for this teams success.

Think about what's been going on over the past few days. We've made some startlingly good trades:

We've traded Howierd Eisley for FWil as a starting PG.

We've traded Queef VanHorn for Kieth ManHorn with damn near 60ppg over the last two wins.

We've traded Fatspoon coming off the bench for a 6-10 sixth-man in McDyess, plus a roster spot.


McDyess at this level of production may make a bigger difference than some of us realize. We didn't need another 20 ppg. scorer anyway... we needed def and rebounding. The team is transforming before our very eyes...



[Edited by - TRU on 12/29/2003 11:04:39]
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12/29/2003  11:09 AM
I think I'd like to see McDyess come off the bench for at least another 2 months. The guy just needs time to find his legs again. 2 years off is just too much time to be a starting lineup - whatever the injury - after 1 month of playing. Plus, it would give him minutes against 2nd teams, a confidence booster he very well needs.
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12/29/2003  11:49 AM
Wow..Thats an incredible idea. I am all for it. McDyess does seem to be a little sluggish. 2nd team would be perfect for him. Kurt who could be more defensive oriented could make up for the defensive shortcommings of KVH and H2O and he can be a the deceptive scoring threat we have needed! This is an awesome idea.

Don Chaney should've thought of that. I think its the money he makes that will not allow him to be a backup, also if Isiah is trying to trade him, he might want to make it look like Dice can start but he wouldn't be fooling anyone. Everyone knows Dice is slower and not the same leaper. Put him on the bench. Also, if we dont sign him, can we re-sign KT? He is a good starter but an even more excellent bench player. 3 yrs 18 million increment. Good idea?
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12/29/2003  1:20 PM
KT would prolly act a fool as soon as he recieved his money, But then again with Zeke around he (should) straighten up his silly foul act if he wants to get paid.
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12/29/2003  2:07 PM
im not gonna get to excited over a couple wins to bad teams. But i think McDyess will get even better, and i hope they dont trade him away at the end of the season, but im not a knee doctor so i actually have no idea what im talking about
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12/29/2003  2:11 PM
I think we have to reserve judgment for a while. He'll have his ups and downs as he recovers from his Knee surgeries.

It's clear that Chaney was too quick to insert him into the starting lineup.
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12/29/2003  2:27 PM
i love that idea of gettin Dice in their against second units so that it boosts his confidence. I think Dice will be really good again later on in the season and maybe get his starting job back.
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12/29/2003  2:42 PM
Too early to tell, let him play like 20 more games averaging at least 25 minutes a game and then make a judgment. It really is a mystery of how good can Dyes be. Last game he looked real good of the bench, but in mentioning what this team needed you forgot the most important thing. Low post presence, an inside scoring threat that draws double teams and draws defenses in. Thomas can't be that. The question is can Dyes? So far he hasn’t been able to be that either, most of the time moving away from the bucket on his moves. Last game his first basket was very encouraging as he moved towards the bucket on an up and under. Fadeaway was in the post too. If he can do things like that consistently, post scoring that is, he will and should start, and can easily average 20 pts in the East where there is like 2 solid low post players on all the teams combined.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/29/2003  2:46 PM
Posted by knickgeek:

I think we have to reserve judgment for a while. He'll have his ups and downs as he recovers from his Knee surgeries.

It's clear that Chaney was too quick to insert him into the starting lineup.
He has had multiple surgeries on both his knees. I think any faith in him is not well founded. Once injuered is accidental, 3 times is injury prone. Do you guys really want to wait for his hops to come back? I dont trust it for one second. His knees can give out any second.
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12/29/2003  3:19 PM
Yeah but there's still hope. Danny Manning was able to survive his knee injury. Only he wasn't any good afterwards
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12/29/2003  3:22 PM
I think with McDyess it was a case of too much to soon. We were 7-10 at that point, had our best stretch of the early season, and were waiting for McDyess all year. A lot of people felt McDyess would be the kick in the pants to put us over the top and be a winning ballclub, and that was too much to soon. Coming off such a major injury, the wisest move was to make McDyess a backup to Thomas and Mutumbo, and have him be a scoring threat off the bench, something we lacked at the time. It would have taken pressure off of Antonio, allowed him to get into the flow slowly, and would've preserved him the best for the end of the season. At that point Thomas and Mutumbo were playing there best basketball all year.
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I think for now its good that McDyess is in the role that would put him under the least pressure, and really allow him to get comfortable. Its important to remember that McDyess never really played with these guys before. There's always an adjustment period. THe offense looked sluggish with MCdyess in there because they were fixated on having him do something. Now there doesnt have to be any worry about that. When Antonio is doing well off the bench he can play more minutes at the expense of Thomas or Mutumbo, no big deal. I think its reasonable to expect 10-12 points and 6-8 boards as a 6th man, playing 25-30 mins.
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12/29/2003  5:41 PM
danny manning never had the athletisism dice had or even has now. as for too much too soon, agreed. chaney had to do s/thing to save his job/hide/arss.
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12/29/2003  6:04 PM
It's almost impossible to predict what we'll get from Dice. If we get the 10-12 points 6-8 boards off the bench and some good D - that will help the team a lot. It wouldn't surprise me though if we got significantly more or significantly less. Like other posters have said time will tell.
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12/30/2003  3:53 AM
I've been listening to WFAN a lot lately--- the various hosts insist that the Knicks do not bring back McDyess next year. If there's no risk of his knee deteriorating I wouldn't mind having him back next year. I'd say in his current weakened state, he's practically even with Kurt Thomas, another player who could be gone at the end of the season.

Unless there's some unbelievable player out there, I think McDyess should be worth 4-6 mil/per year. Just sign your MLE free agent while asking McDyess to wait--- then you can add him to the exploding cap.

The whole cap is going away in 2007--- he's as good a player you can gamble on. Of course, I'll reserve judgement until after the all-star break. By then I'd imagine he could be a 13ppg/8rpg force off th bench in 28mpg...
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12/30/2003  4:55 AM
McDyess's expiring contract is one of the most valuable trading chips that Thomas has to offer teams. I think he may be one of the first Knicks to go.
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