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12/14/2009  5:28 PM
Knicks find answers without A.I.
PER Diem: Dec. 14, 2009Comment Email Print Share By John Hollinger
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The Knicks have won four straight and five of their last six. Is passing on Iverson the reason why?

Remember how people used to say that every team Stephon Marbury left improved dramatically upon his departure?

Now we're seeing a similar phenomenon with one of Marbury's contemporaries. After Allen Iverson exited Philadelphia for the first time early in 2006-07, the 76ers rallied to make a surprise playoff appearance. The Nuggets dealt him early last season and zoomed all the way to the conference finals, which was the team's best NBA finish ever. And while this season's Pistons haven't rallied yet, they've managed largely to replicate last season's performance despite numerous injuries.

If anything, the pace of the Iverson effect has accelerated. The Sixers haven't won a game since Iverson rejoined the team, while the Grizzlies experienced the opposite phenomenon after his brief stay in Memphis. After a 1-8 start with Iverson on the roster, the Grizzlies have won nine times in 14 games after Sunday night's 118-90 blowout of the Heat in Miami. Seemingly hopeless just three weeks ago, the Grizzlies are now on pace for a win total in the mid-30s -- if they were in the East and the season ended today, they'd be a playoff team.

And then there are the Knicks. New York bypassed the process of signing Iverson entirely -- just mentioning the possibility of signing Iverson and getting to the brink, before deciding to move on, appeared to improve the team significantly.

Since ending their dalliance with "The Answer," the Knicks have gone 6-6, including their current four-game win streak. That statement dramatically understates how well they've played, as it was quite possibly their toughest stretch of the season. New York's losses came at the hands of the Lakers, Nuggets, Celtics and Magic (twice); the only stinker was on the road in Sacramento. Meanwhile, New York flogged Phoenix by 27, beat Atlanta on the road, and knocked off the Blazers and Hornets convincingly.

So profound has been their success that they're on Page 1 of the Power Rankings for the first time in memory. Today's Playoff Odds give them better than 50-50 odds of making the postseason, which is another phrase we haven't heard in the Big Apple for several years.

How have the Knicks accomplished this? The unconsummated affair with Iverson is actually just a coincidence; at almost the same time, the Knicks shifted around their rotation. For instance, the day they stopped pursuing Iverson (Nov. 20) was also the day they decided to stop bothering to play perennial disappointment Darko Milicic, who hasn't seen a minute since.

Another example is guard Nate Robinson. Although he's put up decent individual numbers, the Knicks banished him to the bench because of his bizarre behavior -- including shooting at the Sixers' basket just after the buzzer in an early-season game and cavorting with Orlando players before a recent loss. Although Robinson's on-court versus off-court stats aren't that bad, New York has yet to win game in which he's played more than 15 minutes.

With those two out of the picture and rookie Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas also seeing less duty, Mike D'Antoni has done what he does best -- limit the rotation to seven guys and make sure all of them get plenty of minutes and shots.

Three players in particular have benefited. The first is Al Harrington, who is having a career year after a very slow start; New York's renaissance corresponds almost exactly with his rediscovery of his shooting stroke in mid-November. Harrington is averaging 25.6 points per 40 minutes and has broken the 20-point plateau six times in his past 11 games, including 30 against Boston's vaunted D and 41 in a close loss to the Nuggets.

Second is guard Larry Hughes, who has proven far more potent than expected as a playmaker despite his usual wayward shooting (39.4 percent). His 5.7 assists per 40 minutes help offset the disappointing start by Chris Duhon, and his newfound passing ability makes him a useful creator in the backcourt when Duhon leaves the game. It's Hughes' ability to play the point that has allowed D'Antoni to limit his rotation to seven players.

And finally there's center David Lee. He's added a stronger midrange game to his arsenal and has proved more accurate than ever, shooting 57.3 percent from the floor. And he's shooting a lot -- his 20.7 Usage Rate is easily a career high -- and as a result he's added three points to his 40-minute scoring rate. Lee has been good enough that if the Knicks can get somewhere close to .500 by the All-Star break, he has a great shot at making his first All-Star team.

Knicks fans may have missed all this in their lamentation over New York's failure in the draft. Both Brandon Jennings and Ty Lawson slipped through the Knicks' grasp with the eighth overall pick while the player New York picked, Hill, can hardly get off the bench.

That's particularly painful in light of Duhon's struggles. He's shooting just 32.8 percent from the floor and averaging a measly 9.8 points per 40 minutes. But as the only pure point guard on the roster, he almost has to play for D'Antoni's system to function. One can only wonder how well the team might be playing with Jennings or Lawson at the controls.

Nonetheless, the Knicks are much improved, which has fans in the Apple reinvigorated and those in Utah worried. (The Jazz own New York's first-round pick in 2010.) New York's renewed vigor could have important implications going forward as well. It should be much it easier to persuade a top-level free agent to join their roster next season if the Knicks aren't viewed as such a daunting rebuilding project. That's especially true when you consider the rapid development of 21-year-old Danilo Gallinari, who's thriving in his first full, healthy season with a 17.3 PER and a league-leading 64 3-pointers made.

Of course, much water must go under the bridge between now and then, and we're still talking about a team that's 8-15. If they don't take advantage of a stretch of winnable games coming up this month, they may not get nearly as close to .500 as our current projections indicate.

But the mere fact that the Knicks are threatening to become relevant is a newsworthy development in light of the horrors of the past half-decade. It's something that would be much more apparent if they hadn't been playing such a rough schedule the past few weeks. Iverson or not, they appear to have found enough answers to have a good shot at the playoffs.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/14/2009  5:39 PM
It's nice that we're getting some notice. One thing that really irritates me; it seems as if when the Knicks are doing well Lee is considered a possible all-star. When they're doing bad Lee is considered a borderline starter who is much better suited coming off the bench for a good team. Eventually it has to be realized that he's a very good player and starter in this league no matter what. We still aren't a great team, but we're not bad enough to where our best player who is an 18-11 player is only considered to be putting up those numbers because of the team he's on. We aren't that bad.
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12/14/2009  7:45 PM
The Lee question is whether he's part of the plan for a title contender. He can be and if the Knicks land Lebron I think he'd love playing with Lee. We just need to make sure we have some guys to play C aside from Lee. It works if we solve the floor leader issues we have right now.

One other thing that some haven't paid attention to is that Lebron actually isn't used to a pure running system and with every win MDA is proving his skills at the halfcourt game and that will be noticed by Lebron as a big plus!!!

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12/14/2009  7:58 PM
Why the big deal intro about AI if AI has nothing to do with the streak?
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12/14/2009  8:10 PM
Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.
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12/14/2009  8:10 PM
Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.
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12/14/2009  8:44 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.

Who...?

...and how?

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12/14/2009  8:55 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.

One of the things i've noticed is that many of the championship finalist teams don't have Star PG's, but instead their top guy is a SG/SF/PF sized player. You're looking for a Jordan/Kobe/Wade/Duncan/Dirk/KG/Pierce etc. I would venture to say that a great player with some size is more important to Championship level BB than a PG. Getting Lebron would give us the BEST chance to compete for a title. He's gotten close, but here we may have the ability to give him the team he needs to actually win it.

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12/14/2009  8:59 PM
What's with all this LB talk-larry Bird is 40 something and long retired. Besides he's mediocre as a GM
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12/15/2009  9:30 AM
markvmc wrote:Why the big deal intro about AI if AI has nothing to do with the streak?

I'm with you. I don't read Hollinger regularly but it seems like he has an agenda against him and was looking for a chance to take some shots at him. It was pointless to the article.

I just hope that people will like me
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12/15/2009  9:59 AM
Hollinger sucks. Finds new and inventive ways to state the obivous.

Knicks are winning because a) they play 7 guys who are defending and b) the PG play went from vomitous to very good.

I am sure if Hollinger runs the #s through the myriad of stupid formulas that generate his hoopla he will be able to prove that we are winning becuase the PG play is better and the defense is improved.

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12/15/2009  10:19 AM
TheSage wrote:What's with all this LB talk-larry Bird is 40 something and long retired. Besides he's mediocre as a GM

Well, Bender beat him at H O R S E. Doesn't that justify the hype?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/15/2009  11:19 AM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.

One of the things i've noticed is that many of the championship finalist teams don't have Star PG's, but instead their top guy is a SG/SF/PF sized player. You're looking for a Jordan/Kobe/Wade/Duncan/Dirk/KG/Pierce etc. I would venture to say that a great player with some size is more important to Championship level BB than a PG. Getting Lebron would give us the BEST chance to compete for a title. He's gotten close, but here we may have the ability to give him the team he needs to actually win it.


I agree with this completely. Most of these teams didn't have a great point guard, they just had one that "fits." Players like Douglas are potential fits for a championship team. And how can you not want lebron over everyone? He takes bad teams deep into the playoffs every year. No one else in the league can do that. We can already put a better team around him that he has right now, and still have flexibility to improve it in the future.
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12/15/2009  11:20 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
markvmc wrote:Why the big deal intro about AI if AI has nothing to do with the streak?

I'm with you. I don't read Hollinger regularly but it seems like he has an agenda against him and was looking for a chance to take some shots at him. It was pointless to the article.

He is trying to sensationalize something that is not there.

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12/15/2009  11:24 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
markvmc wrote:Why the big deal intro about AI if AI has nothing to do with the streak?

I'm with you. I don't read Hollinger regularly but it seems like he has an agenda against him and was looking for a chance to take some shots at him. It was pointless to the article.

He is trying to sensationalize something that is not there.

He's no Marc Berman

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12/15/2009  11:31 AM
Knixkik wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Im getting a little sick of hering about LB, i would much rather have a super star pg.

One of the things i've noticed is that many of the championship finalist teams don't have Star PG's, but instead their top guy is a SG/SF/PF sized player. You're looking for a Jordan/Kobe/Wade/Duncan/Dirk/KG/Pierce etc. I would venture to say that a great player with some size is more important to Championship level BB than a PG. Getting Lebron would give us the BEST chance to compete for a title. He's gotten close, but here we may have the ability to give him the team he needs to actually win it.


I agree with this completely. Most of these teams didn't have a great point guard, they just had one that "fits." Players like Douglas are potential fits for a championship team. And how can you not want lebron over everyone? He takes bad teams deep into the playoffs every year. No one else in the league can do that. We can already put a better team around him that he has right now, and still have flexibility to improve it in the future.

You do not need a supperstar PG(although it helps). At that position you need a leader, that understands his role and can facilitate the offense.

I just hope that people will like me
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12/15/2009  1:09 PM
You know Hollinger is a moron because he created his corny little "true shooting percentage."

The NBA doesn't use that. Why would you create it ?

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12/15/2009  1:11 PM
I think NBA DOES use that, Donnie Walsh say "yea, we got all that" in that KnickerBlogger interview.

It's just that something as complex as 'true shooting percentage' does not lend itself very easily to your standard boxscore.

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12/15/2009  1:27 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:You know Hollinger is a moron because he created his corny little "true shooting percentage."

The NBA doesn't use that. Why would you create it ?

LOL, of all the stats you could pick, I actually think that one is helpful.

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12/15/2009  1:31 PM
1) True Shooting percentage is ridiculously easy to calculate and is completely intuitive.
2) John Hollinger didn't create it- he crated PER which is more convoluted and lacks an obvious context to interpret it.
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