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nykbasketball
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12/14/2009  3:21 AM
With the way the team is playing right now, I think Walsh has to seriously consider keeping the guys he has on the team now and making a push for Lebron. We would obviously have to trade Nate for either a young player with upside or a pick, but other than him, I think everyone on this team could be apart of a championship caliber team. The team would have scary depth and could play defense and offense pretty well. If this was the opening day roster next year I think we would be pretty damn good.

Starters:
PG - Douglas
SG - Chandler
SF - Lebron
PF - Gallinari
C - Lee

Bench:
6 - Harrington
7 - Hughes
8 - Jeffries
9 - Duhon
10 - Hill
11 - Curry

I think it's safe to say that's the best top 11 in the NBA RIGHT NOW and we could even be better than that.

If we trade Nate I think we could grab some pretty good players due to the economy. Teams like Sacramento are struggling financially and they might be interested in saving some money. Sacramento would have to take a serious look at Nate and Mobley for Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Sergio Rodriguez. Thompson is very young and would be our starting center for years to come. He's a very good overall player; he can shoot out to 18 feet, rebound, defend, block shots, pass very well for a big man, run the floor, and finish in the post. Thomas and Rodriguez come off the books this year, so this doesn't really hurt us in the Lebron sweepstakes. The Kings are going to need the money they save from Cuttino to eventually resign Martin, Evans, and Hawes. Even though the Kings might decide not to keep Nate in the long run, he is a huge attraction for a team that has issues filling the seats and he is on a one year contract, so if it doesn't work out, he's gone. And a 3 guard rotation of Evans/Martin/Nate is pretty electric.

If we wanted to get a pick this year to fill our needs, we could offer Washington something along the lines of Nate and Mobley for Mike Miller (expiring), Andray Blatche or Javale McGee, and their unprotected first round pick. Hopefully that pick will end up being a top 10 pick and we could grab a real center like Larry Sanders or Cole Aldrich (preferably Sanders -- I've watched him for 2 years now and he is a Marcus Camby clone).

In addition to signing Lebron, we could also pick up some very good players who are going to be overlooked because of the depth of this free agent class. Players like Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons, Udonis Haslem, Raymond Felton, Jarret Jack, Kyle Lowry, and Travis Outlaw are good players who will not get the contract they deserve. If we sign two of these guys in addition to Lebron, we will be loaded with talent.

This is the ideal scenario for next year (IMO). We trade Nate and Mobley to the Kings for Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Rodriguez before the deadline. Let Thomas expire and give Rodriguez a chance to prove he belongs in the NBA. Sign Lebron, Tyrus Thomas, and Kyle Lowry. Resign Lee, Harrington, Hughes, and Duhon to reasonable contracts (Lee gets a nice long deal). And go to war with a lineup of:

Starters:
PG - Douglas (PG)
SG - Lebron (PG, SG, SF, PF, C)
SF - Gallinari (SF, PF, C)
PF - Lee (PF, C)
C - Thompson (PF, C)

Bench:
6 - Harrington (SG, SF, PF)
7 - Chandler (SG, SF)
8 - Hughes (PG, SG)
9 - Tyrus Thomas (PF)
10 - Lowry (PG)
11 - Jeffries (SF, PF, C -- Defends all 5 though)
12 - Duhon (PG)
13 - Hill (PF, C)
14 - Curry (C)
15 - 2nd Round Pick

We will have so much excess talent which puts us in a position to make trades for stars, let our young players develop, and still be competitive if we lose players to injury. Our bench is arguably better than some teams starting 5 (Hughes, Chandler, Harrington, Thomas, Jeffries). Look what the Blazers did, they stockpiled young talent and let it develop, and now they are one of the best teams in the league. Some youngsters like Hill might not get the burn they would on a team lacking depth, but they would the opportunity to develop at their own pace and play on a championship caliber team. Curry and Jeffries also expire next year so I would let Curry walk, and resign Jeffries to a 3 year 12 million dollar deal. He is invaluable because he can play excellent at the 1-5 positions and he is also a great help defender. He may not bring much on the offensive end, but he makes up for it (and some) on the defensive end.

While a team like this may not have the star power of a Lebron and Bosh led team, this team will play together and play tough defense. Gallinari and maybe Thompson have the potential to become stars and one of them will eventually become Lebron's partner in crime. The beauty about guys like Lee, Gallinari, Thompson, and Douglas is that they do not demand the ball. We can let the ball be in the hands of the best player in the NBA and he can decide whether to shoot or pass. And Lebron is a very unselfish player who does command a lot of attention so our shooters (Gallo, Harrington, Douglas, Hughes, Duhon) will be getting open looks. After playing together for a couple of months under , this team would have great chemistry and understand how to play off/with each other. And a true team beats a collection of stars who do not gel properly (look at the Pistons from a few years back). Lebron has proven that he can carry a team to the finals himself, so let's surround him with a mix of young talent and veterans and see what he can do. Plus, Lebron clearly wants to be the biggest star in the biggest market, so I see no point in Lebron sharing the spotlight with Bosh/Wade if he doesn't need them to win a championship.

If you were Lebron would you rather play with Mo Williams, Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, J.J Hickson, an over the hill Shaq, and Boobie Gibson or the Knicks young core of Gallinari, Chandler, Douglas, and Hill along with Lee, Harrington, Hughes, and Jeffries? I think the Knicks sound more enticing than the Cavs at this point, and hopefully Lebron agrees.

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12/14/2009  4:40 AM
I completely disagree that this squad has earned their keep. There's still a LONG way to go before that becomes reasonable.
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12/14/2009  7:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2009  7:34 AM
That's crazy talk... INSANE TALK !! Stop it right there, close this thread, ban HIM ;)

Seriously, the Knicks have a four game winning streak and we should change our plan ? First, this team is far from a .500, let alone contend for the division. Secondly, we only play with an 8-man rotation, meaning at least 5 guys can be replaced. We should stick with the plan, and only use this year to identify the few players who can grow with this team...

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12/14/2009  8:34 AM
I think it's safe to say that's the best top 11 in the NBA RIGHT NOW and we could even be better than that.

O RLY!?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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12/14/2009  8:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2009  8:46 AM
I sense the makings of a real feel-good plot here. After starting the season poorly, a motley group of basketball players (who know they are just temporary fill-ins until some good players can be signed) surprise everyone with an improbable 67 game win streak, then go undefeated throughout the playoffs to win the championship. Everyone learns a lesson about loyalty and believing in each other. In the end, it turns out that (ironically) they don't need to sign any big name players to win. It turns out they had a great team all along.
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12/14/2009  9:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2009  9:57 AM
A Simple Plan

Rotation

C Lee
F Bosh
F Gallinari
F Chandler
G Second Round Draft Pick Discovery/ Free Agent That No One Saw Coming
G Duhon
F Tyrus Thomas
G Toney Douglas

Reserves

F Hill
F Bender
F Landry
G Summer League discovery to be named late
C Milicic
C Curry

That makes 14

Hold up, I almost forgot, one final spot reserved for a Donnie Walsh Jack-In-The-Box at center

That makes 15

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12/14/2009  9:59 AM
BasketballJones wrote:I sense the makings of a real feel-good plot here. After starting the season poorly, a motley group of basketball players (who know they are just temporary fill-ins until some good players can be signed) surprise everyone with an improbable 67 game win streak, then go undefeated throughout the playoffs to win the championship. Everyone learns a lesson about loyalty and believing in each other. In the end, it turns out that (ironically) they don't need to sign any big name players to win. It turns out they had a great team all along.

I'm already choking up.
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12/14/2009  10:07 AM
nykbasketball wrote:

If we trade Nate I think we could grab some pretty good players due to the economy. Teams like Sacramento are struggling financially and they might be interested in saving some money. Sacramento would have to take a serious look at Nate and Mobley for Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Sergio Rodriguez. Thompson is very young and would be our starting center for years to come. He's a very good overall player; he can shoot out to 18 feet, rebound, defend, block shots, pass very well for a big man, run the floor, and finish in the post. Thomas and Rodriguez come off the books this year, so this doesn't really hurt us in the Lebron sweepstakes. The Kings are going to need the money they save from Cuttino to eventually resign Martin, Evans, and Hawes. Even though the Kings might decide not to keep Nate in the long run, he is a huge attraction for a team that has issues filling the seats and he is on a one year contract, so if it doesn't work out, he's gone. And a 3 guard rotation of Evans/Martin/Nate is pretty electric.

...This is the ideal scenario for next year (IMO). We trade Nate and Mobley to the Kings for Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Rodriguez before the deadline. Let Thomas expire and give Rodriguez a chance to prove he belongs in the NBA. Sign Lebron, Tyrus Thomas, and Kyle Lowry. Resign Lee, Harrington, Hughes, and Duhon to reasonable contracts (Lee gets a nice long deal). And go to war with a lineup of:

Explain to me again why the Kings would give us one of the most promising young PFs in the league, and a very serviceable backup PG, for Nate?
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12/14/2009  10:13 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I completely disagree that this squad has earned their keep. There's still a LONG way to go before that becomes reasonable.

not only that, but honestly, where are we going to go as a team with lee starting at center? I like lee a lot ,but that is not a recipe for success.. we need to get a center and have lee put in work as a 6th man.... but I wonder if lee see's that as too much of a step back for him now..

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12/14/2009  10:41 AM
We obviously are going to have to keep some of the players, but the idea of keeping this same team together longterm is insane. This team is not a contender and has too many flaws to be a contender. It needs to be broken up and a superstar talent needs to be added to the mix.
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12/14/2009  10:42 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
nykbasketball wrote:

If we trade Nate I think we could grab some pretty good players due to the economy. Teams like Sacramento are struggling financially and they might be interested in saving some money. Sacramento would have to take a serious look at Nate and Mobley for Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Sergio Rodriguez. Thompson is very young and would be our starting center for years to come. He's a very good overall player; he can shoot out to 18 feet, rebound, defend, block shots, pass very well for a big man, run the floor, and finish in the post. Thomas and Rodriguez come off the books this year, so this doesn't really hurt us in the Lebron sweepstakes. The Kings are going to need the money they save from Cuttino to eventually resign Martin, Evans, and Hawes. Even though the Kings might decide not to keep Nate in the long run, he is a huge attraction for a team that has issues filling the seats and he is on a one year contract, so if it doesn't work out, he's gone. And a 3 guard rotation of Evans/Martin/Nate is pretty electric.

...This is the ideal scenario for next year (IMO). We trade Nate and Mobley to the Kings for Thompson, Kenny Thomas, and Rodriguez before the deadline. Let Thomas expire and give Rodriguez a chance to prove he belongs in the NBA. Sign Lebron, Tyrus Thomas, and Kyle Lowry. Resign Lee, Harrington, Hughes, and Duhon to reasonable contracts (Lee gets a nice long deal). And go to war with a lineup of:

Explain to me again why the Kings would give us one of the most promising young PFs in the league, and a very serviceable backup PG, for Nate?

Yeah, nyb you have got to come up with better trades. The Kings are not trading Thompson for Nate. They love that guy and he has more potential than Nate.

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12/14/2009  12:58 PM
I want Dudu and Nate off the team.
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12/14/2009  1:16 PM
Keep the dealer you have. He's earned it.
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12/14/2009  2:30 PM
markvmc wrote:Keep the dealer you have. He's earned it.

seriously. i'll have whatever he's having.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/14/2009  2:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2009  2:55 PM
It would be nice to have the money to resign all of the deserving players, but it may not be possible. If you have LeBron, Gallo, and Lee, than you have to focus on adding depth to the PG and C positions with any remaining spare change. Hughes might be a player to resign because he may come cheap, and can play minutes at SG and PG. Then adding a shot blocking big is the last piece. This is of course assuming we can't unload both Curry and JJ, possibly only 1. If you can get rid of both, you do your best to sign 2 mx FA and Lee, then figure out the rest down the road. With a roster that good, you can afford to coast until you find ways to improve the depth. Don't sleep on Bender as a contributer off the bench next year either. It may not be likely, but possible. He fits D'Antoni to a tee, and is a big, lengthy shooter.
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12/14/2009  3:45 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I think it's safe to say that's the best top 11 in the NBA RIGHT NOW and we could even be better than that.

O RLY!?

You clearly missed the point of that post. What I'm trying to say is how many teams 11th man has had a season where he averaged 19 points and 7 rebounds? I can't think of any. Obviously a starting lineup of Kobe, Odom, Gasol, Bynum, Artest is going to beat any team's starting lineup but probably have a weak bench. The Celtics bench was exposed the last 2 seasons and it showed how important having a deep talented team is. What if we sign Bosh and Lebron and one of them go down with an injury or they do not perform well (a la elton brand)? Who's going to step in? If we sign two max players we are realistically going to choose one player out of Lee, Big Al, Hughes, Duhon, and Jeffries.

We invested a high lottery pick in Gallo and Hill hoping that one of them will develop into superstars. At this point it looks like Gallo is our only hope, but we should still stick with our guns instead of signing Bosh and having a team consisting of Lebron, Bosh, Gallo, Chandler, and a bunch of nobodies.

Basically I think we would be better off just letting Lebron do his thing by himself and surround him with good players who fit the system and can work off Lebron's game (Gallo and Lee are perfect examples). Lebron is good enough to do it by himself on the offensive end, all he needs are some shooters and a good defense. I think the core of Gallo/Lee/Chandler/Harrington/Hughes/Douglas/Hill/Jeffries is the perfect compliment to LBJ's game.

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12/14/2009  3:51 PM
Im sorry but I want to win a championship
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12/14/2009  6:31 PM
TheGame wrote:We obviously are going to have to keep some of the players, but the idea of keeping this same team together longterm is insane. This team is not a contender and has too many flaws to be a contender. It needs to be broken up and a superstar talent needs to be added to the mix.

Papabear Says

What superstar is coming here?? Be real.

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12/14/2009  6:32 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I want Dudu and Nate off the team.

Papabear Says

Who do you replace them with??

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12/14/2009  6:36 PM
Cookdcokehop wrote:Im sorry but I want to win a championship

Papabear Says

Yea well so have I for over 35 years!! These guys are starting to maybe come together. Maybe! Let's see.

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