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Marv
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12/11/2009  1:10 PM
last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.

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12/11/2009  1:16 PM
good point marv - with the current roster its all about sustaining it too though. i just dont think they have the talent or mental focus to do so. in general, how many teams can you say truly succeeded living/dying by the 3 pt line? i can think of golden state a few years back in their playoff run and the suns of recent years. and, even those two teams had a ceiling - shooting a high 3 pt percentage is great, but its the gravy to the turkey breast that is good defense.
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12/11/2009  1:18 PM
good observation marv.

i think the clamp down on 3's is the result of the clamp down on the rotation. it looks like our guys are way more comfortable in the offense now. the passing has improved. the movement has improved. perhaps with each player understanding that he'll have more minutes and more opportunity, the urge to launch immediate threes is lessened.

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12/11/2009  1:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2009  1:22 PM
Marv, good find, but I don't know if it's MDA clamping down or the team beginning to understand how to play within this system. I think maybe they get used to everything and know what they do good and they do it now.

Yea, what evil kind of said.

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12/11/2009  1:27 PM
Two words - shot selection. Their shot selection and ball movement have been much better, more unselfish team play and passing. Also, they are attacking more. Translation - they are starting to look like (dare I say it) a team.
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12/11/2009  1:30 PM
It could be Dantoni or it could be the players wising up. The facts are these though. Gallo is our only true pure shooter so hes the one guy who has the green light to shoot consistently.

David Lee is posting up more.

Harrington is our go to guy and he realizes he has to take it to the hoop more, so he does.

Larry Hughes is playing better but he is who he is.

Duhon is playing better.

Nate is not in the rotation.

Wilson Chandler is doing better than the beginning of the season when all he was doing was chucking up 3s.

All of this stuff combined is going to naturally lead to a better offense. To me, therefore, it is more of a matter of players knowing their roles better and /ate not being in the game. Not that I dont like Nate.

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12/11/2009  1:42 PM
We've also played teams with poor interior defense (Phoenix, Nets, and Atlanta after their main shotblocker was ejected). That might go some way towards explaining fewer 3 pointers.
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12/11/2009  1:52 PM
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.
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12/11/2009  2:06 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

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12/11/2009  2:08 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

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12/11/2009  2:08 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Knicks are winning because opponents are losing... Any fool can see...

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12/11/2009  2:32 PM
I think I ruined Marv's well thought out post.
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12/11/2009  2:35 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Who came up with that "its factorial" line anyway? I remember that was big about two years ago.

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12/11/2009  2:36 PM
eViL wrote:good observation marv.

i think the clamp down on 3's is the result of the clamp down on the rotation. it looks like our guys are way more comfortable in the offense now. the passing has improved. the movement has improved. perhaps with each player understanding that he'll have more minutes and more opportunity, the urge to launch immediate threes is lessened.

i think clamping down on guys making shots & clamping down on Duhon not playing like garbage has been a huge factor as well... i think clamping down is key, we need to keep clamping down to stay on the winning trail.

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12/11/2009  2:38 PM
TheGame wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Who came up with that "its factorial" line anyway? I remember that was big about two years ago.

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TheGame
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12/11/2009  2:39 PM
martin wrote:
TheGame wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Who came up with that "its factorial" line anyway? I remember that was big about two years ago.

how could you forgot Vaseline-dude?

Oh, Marbury started that. I thought it was like Islefan or someone playing off Marbury.

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12/11/2009  2:49 PM
TheGame wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Who came up with that "its factorial" line anyway? I remember that was big about two years ago.

Sounds like a Steph'ism!

The Knicks have mainly just played the right way. Using more of the MDA halfcourt gameplan. Pick N Roll, off ball movement, passing and taking OPEN shots in rhythm. There's more to MDA's system than many players think. Once you understand the nuances and where to go etc. things open up and the teams becomes more efficient.

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12/11/2009  5:05 PM
nixluva wrote:
TheGame wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:last 5 games: knicks shoot 121 3's, hit 54. that's 24 attempts per game, converting at .45 clip. record is 4-1

5 games before that: knicks shoot 171 3's, hit 57. that's 34 attempts per game, converting at .33 clip. record is 0-5

This suggests that mike clamped down on the number of 3’s and under what situations they take them.

I see this as crucial for this team.


no.. Knicks are winning cause they are awesome and thats obvious factorial. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Who came up with that "its factorial" line anyway? I remember that was big about two years ago.

Sounds like a Steph'ism!

The Knicks have mainly just played the right way. Using more of the MDA halfcourt gameplan. Pick N Roll, off ball movement, passing and taking OPEN shots in rhythm. There's more to MDA's system than many players think. Once you understand the nuances and where to go etc. things open up and the teams becomes more efficient.

I'd like to add that they ae winning because they are using DEFENSE to ignite their offense. They are switching, rotating, aggressively attacking the ball, and getting in the passing lanes. More steals, more disruption, and more confidence as a result.

I think their shooting percentag drops when they get discouraged by the other team scoring too easily. When they play solid D, their confidence goes up and they convert more open shots.

I don't have any stats to prove this, but it's obvious to me just from watching the games.

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12/11/2009  6:14 PM
Mck1 said as much the other day. Knicks are winning cuz D'antoni told them to cut down on the three ball.
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12/11/2009  7:08 PM
I think its because we went from the SSOL offense to NOOL (Nate out of Lineup) offense. If we start losinf we could characterize it as the just plain SOL offense.
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