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BRIGGS
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12/8/2009  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2009  10:27 AM
Lee---6 years 50mm$
Harrington 4 years 26.5mm$[as my main energy guy 6th man off the bench--like Lamar Odom's role]

I would be willing to do a very small deal with Duhon as a back up since he has been here vets minimum.


Nate
Milicic
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Hughes--I would consider keeping him for vets minimum but no more.
Mobley
gone

Use Curry's as ending contract trades if the trade is there--if not we should be players in fa again in 2011.

Caveat--looks like we have to get rid of Jefferies to be able to be in position to get a max fA and retain both of these players.

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12/8/2009  10:29 AM
Watching the team play recently, I was thinking that they are only a max player or quality FA away from being a very competitive team.

Of course if you move Curry or Jeffries you have the ability to make them even better. But just for argument sake, if you add a LeBron to this team, they are automatically one of the best teams in the East.
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12/8/2009  10:36 AM
If LeBron is the guy we add, we can't keep Lee, Harrington, Gallo and Chandler. That's too many forwards. Chandler can play the 2, as can LeBron, but all of these guys are basically forwards.
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12/8/2009  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2009  10:38 AM
It will be hard to get Lee and Al for this kind of money.
I agree thet this is what they worth but unfortunately it is not how it works in NBA or in any free market.
We will be outbid by other teams for their services and will be forced to overlay.
Then we will need to look at our options and make a decision. Fortunately we are very flexible in both cases.

As per Dudu and Larry, they will be with us only if some spare space will be available. And you will never get Larry for minimum.
He is better that this and he knows how to make himself look even better.

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12/8/2009  10:45 AM
arkrud wrote:It will be hard to get Lee and Al for this kind of money.
I agree thet this is what they worth but unfortunately it is not how it works in NBA or in any free market.
We will be outbid by other teams for their services and will be forced to overlay.
Then we will need to look at our options and make a decision. Fortunately we are very flexible in both cases.

As per Dudu and Larry, they will be with us only if some spare space will be available. And you will never get Larry for minimum.
He is better that this and he knows how to make himself look even better.

It's not a big deal to lose Hughes or Duhon. I think both are very replaceable. The big key to the season is getting rid of Jefferies--this gives us the $$$$$$ to do deals with Lee and AH and still have enough $$ for max FA. If needed I would give away Hill I would do it--hes a 2.7mm $ hold and right now a player who cant get off the bench has to be viewed for next year as expendable. We could sign 2 2nd round pick 2X400k= 800k <2.7mm$

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12/8/2009  10:46 AM
the thing with lee briggs, is if we can sell him as being a bench player.. sooner or later gallo is going to take over that PF spot and lee at center is not in our long term interest, plus we still have hill that will need minutes..
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12/8/2009  10:48 AM
i would keep hughes over harrington at this point. i know al is a better scorer, but if we do get lebron, lebron will play al's role a lot better than al can play it. hughes gives us something we don't have and sorely need.

i agree with Ira that we have too many forwards if we have Lebron, Lee, Gallo, Wilson. we don't need harrington on top of all that.

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12/8/2009  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2009  10:54 AM
I like Al Harrington but he's not a long term player. He's a good scorer, but to me I don't see how he fits on a rebuilding team other than putting up some gaudy pt totals in a transitional phase so the team can trade him for some value.

In other words- when the team does start to get better he no longer will get the shots he needs to be as effective a player and thus his value will run its course.
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12/8/2009  10:59 AM
I know its only a few games (winning) but a few things are becoming clearer.

One is Lee is continuing to develop as a player. He outplayed Aldridge who is a longer more athetic player. He's god springs in his legs, and is scoring one on one and with his back to the basket. His 15-18 footer is also looking very smooth.

Douglas is a defensive nightmare for the other team. Even in short spurts he aggravates opposing PGs.

Gallo has real star potential. He's got the cohones to hit big shots. He's a two way player and 50 games into his career he's got a suped high BB IQ.

Knicks have some pieces.. plain and simple.

I know Harrington likes being here but the guy thats really helped turn things around is Hughes. He's the long defensive two player with SG size and PG skills. Health has been an issue in the past for him but he's playing like an all star right now.

If we can trading Harrington for draft pick(s) I would still do that.

If we sign Lebron (or even Joe Johnson) I would turn around and package JJ or Curry's expiring contract with Chandler and that aquired pick for Ok4 sometime over that summer. Then your lineup looks like this:
PG Douglas
SG Lebron
SF Gallinari
PF Lee
C Ok4
bench: Hill/ Hughes?

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12/8/2009  11:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:i would keep hughes over harrington at this point. i know al is a better scorer, but if we do get lebron, lebron will play al's role a lot better than al can play it. hughes gives us something we don't have and sorely need.

i agree with Ira that we have too many forwards if we have Lebron, Lee, Gallo, Wilson. we don't need harrington on top of all that.

I like Harrington off the bench+ he can also step in and start. I think that we can keep Gallinari and Lee on the frontline as long as add a piece--Bosh? Frontline of Bosh Lee Gallinari

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12/8/2009  11:18 AM
Ira wrote:If LeBron is the guy we add, we can't keep Lee, Harrington, Gallo and Chandler. That's too many forwards. Chandler can play the 2, as can LeBron, but all of these guys are basically forwards.

If we do add LeBron, and Gallo puts on some muscle to be able to guard 4's, I see nothing wrong with keeping LBJ, Gallo and Lee as the front line. Hopefully the offense speeds up at that point. The only problem being Lee's ability (or inability rather) to defend big 5's in the paint.
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12/8/2009  11:21 AM
how about Lebron and Gallo on the wings, with Lee, OK4 maybe Camby off the bench up front? Thats the kind of size that wins titles
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12/8/2009  12:44 PM
With leBron all looks nobrainer.
what about without him?
I like Bosh, Lee, Galo option. But still no legit PG...
Of course there is LA and Zen-master with his triangl but what it has to do with ?
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12/8/2009  1:33 PM
arkrud wrote:With leBron all looks nobrainer.
what about without him?
I like Bosh, Lee, Galo option. But still no legit PG...
Of course there is LA and Zen-master with his triangl but what it has to do with ?

I like that too Lee Bosh Gallo--that would be one helluva frontline to deal with. The Knicks have a fair team right team right now that shows some promise--but there are pieces that ultimately need to swap up. Lets consider no LBJ in one scenario but we can get Bosh--how is this team take out jeffries insert Bosh but keep Lee and Harrington? Than you are not far away from being pretty darn good. That is 50 win team easily right there.

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12/8/2009  1:36 PM
Lee, Bosh, Gallo would be a good set of forwards. The key is trading Jeffries (and/or Curry if possible).
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12/8/2009  1:57 PM
Ira wrote:Lee, Bosh, Gallo would be a good set of forwards. The key is trading Jeffries (and/or Curry if possible).

That would give us enough length in the middle--6-11 6-11 6-9 and all skilled. Gallo has been moving much better without the ball. He has been really surprising near the hoop--blocking shots and getting some rebounds with his length. Just think if we traded Jefferies for Bosh Gallo gets better and Lee sustains play? That is unguardable.

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12/8/2009  1:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
arkrud wrote:With leBron all looks nobrainer.
what about without him?
I like Bosh, Lee, Galo option. But still no legit PG...
Of course there is LA and Zen-master with his triangl but what it has to do with ?

I like that too Lee Bosh Gallo--that would be one helluva frontline to deal with. The Knicks have a fair team right team right now that shows some promise--but there are pieces that ultimately need to swap up. Lets consider no LBJ in one scenario but we can get Bosh--how is this team take out jeffries insert Bosh but keep Lee and Harrington? Than you are not far away from being pretty darn good. That is 50 win team easily right there.

agreed - the major hole is still PG though.

i wonder if something will shake loose next summer. maybe that's when we make a call about sessions... or stephen curry.

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12/8/2009  2:06 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Ira wrote:Lee, Bosh, Gallo would be a good set of forwards. The key is trading Jeffries (and/or Curry if possible).

That would give us enough length in the middle--6-11 6-11 6-9 and all skilled. Gallo has been moving much better without the ball. He has been really surprising near the hoop--blocking shots and getting some rebounds with his length. Just think if we traded Jefferies for Bosh Gallo gets better and Lee sustains play? That is unguardable.

Briggs have you warmed up to Gallo yet?

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12/8/2009  2:25 PM
here is the issue with Bosh. If you get him you need a PG. If you get Lebron or even Joe Johnson you can put Douglas at the PG because you dont need a 1 to lead your offense. If you have a frontline of Lee, Gallo and Bosh you really need the PG to get them the ball in good position to score.

I would rather sign a wing, then trade my expiring contracts for a guy making too much money. Ok4 is perfect IMO. We wont care about the $$ because after signing Lebron and Lee we will be capped out, but offering JJ and maybe Chandler and/or Hill gives you a chance at OK4 because he makes so much for a stingy owner thats going to move that team anyway

A Douglas, Lebron, Gallo, Lee, OK4 starting 5 is a lineup that can challenge the elite teams as fas as size and skill. Even if you sub Joe Johnson for Lebron your still looking at a 50 win team IMO

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12/8/2009  2:51 PM
crzymdups wrote:i would keep hughes over harrington at this point. i know al is a better scorer, but if we do get lebron, lebron will play al's role a lot better than al can play it. hughes gives us something we don't have and sorely need.

that's exactly how i feel about it... Harrington is a scorer, but Hughes plays on both sides of the ball & can defend on the perimeter... having Al on the same team as Lebron & Gallo doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

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