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playa2
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12/3/2009  7:51 PM
In your opinion Who do you think had the final say on the knicks last two early draft choices (Gallo & Hill)

WALSH
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DANTONI

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12/3/2009  7:54 PM
that's the beauty of the current knicks. it's not any ONE person. this team is being run the right way, with input from all sides of the basketball.

what is different now than in the isiah era is that there is a mutual respect. we are talking about professionals in every sense of the word. they respect each other and conduct their business, make their decisions, and run the team this way.

to ask who wears the pants is to really dig for trouble, imho. cheers.

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12/3/2009  8:01 PM
If you look at Walsh's history you would know he does what he can to get the guys his coach wants.
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12/3/2009  8:01 PM
Let's not kid ourselves, Gallo was a D'antoni pick.
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12/3/2009  8:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2009  8:14 PM
I would have to cast my vote for dantoni.

#1 Dantoni and Gallo's dad were buddies and teammates in EURO league why wouldn't he choose his sharp shooting son...didn't he say he's the best shooter he has EVER SEEN !

#2 Dantoni knows his offense can flourish with a pg that reminds him of Nash with the ability to penetrate and dish, drive and score(knock down open shots), or run up and down the court at breakneck speed. After having Nash he chose a docile pg(Duhon) over potential talented one's left in the draft.


I can't see walsh pulling any strings here. Matter of fact if i recall walsh didn't have a clue that MDA planned on sitting Marbury after telling him to come to camp in great shape ready to compete.

Walsh to me looks like a veteran yes man mouthpiece for Dantoni waiting to retire. Happy to be still called a GM(almost retied) getting paid big money in his home town.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/3/2009  8:11 PM
fishmike wrote:If you look at Walsh's history you would know he does what he can to get the guys his coach wants.

Give me some of his picks as examples

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12/3/2009  8:27 PM
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:If you look at Walsh's history you would know he does what he can to get the guys his coach wants.

Give me some of his picks as examples

Fred Jones was an Isiah request when he was coach of Indiana.

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12/3/2009  8:34 PM
For years in NY we have determined that the GM/Coach relationship is a competition. They fight over the players they want and the loser gets fired. You hire a GM. The GM hires a coach he wants and then picks players that fit his philosophy. Then together the GM, coach and scouts decide on a player. That's how the good teams do it. But for some reason in NY we think it's a competition
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12/3/2009  8:36 PM
Bippity10 wrote:For years in NY we have determined that the GM/Coach relationship is a competition. They fight over the players they want and the loser gets fired. You hire a GM. The GM hires a coach he wants and then picks players that fit his philosophy. Then together the GM, coach and scouts decide on a player. That's how the good teams do it. But for some reason in NY we think it's a competition

so were you for Isiah or LB? seems like you are a LB cool aid guy.

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12/3/2009  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2009  8:43 PM
Bippity10 wrote:For years in NY we have determined that the GM/Coach relationship is a competition. They fight over the players they want and the loser gets fired. You hire a GM. The GM hires a coach he wants and then picks players that fit his philosophy. Then together the GM, coach and scouts decide on a player. That's how the good teams do it. But for some reason in NY we think it's a competition

Bip just imagine what the knicks would be today if we would have kept Ernie Grunfeld instead of Jeff vandundy. We would have never fallen victim to the ewing & vangundy onslaught on the knicks future. IMHO that's where the slide started. Ewing should have finished off his contract with the knicks so we could have utilized his salary for real players instead of washups Longley and Glen rice etc...

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/3/2009  8:43 PM
playa2 wrote:I would have to cast my vote for dantoni.

#1 Dantoni and Gallo's dad were buddies and teammates in EURO league why wouldn't he choose his sharp shooting son...didn't he say he's the best shooter he has EVER SEEN !

#2 Dantoni knows his offense can flourish with a pg that reminds him of Nash with the ability to penetrate and dish, drive and score(knock down open shots), or run up and down the court at breakneck speed. After having Nash he chose a docile pg(Duhon) over potential talented one's left in the draft.


I can't see walsh pulling any strings here. Matter of fact if i recall walsh didn't have a clue that MDA planned on sitting Marbury after telling him to come to camp in great shape ready to compete.

Walsh to me looks like a veteran yes man mouthpiece for Dantoni waiting to retire. Happy to be still called a GM(almost retied) getting paid big money in his home town.

Don't be so quick to assume. MDA isn't really calling all the shots. Walsh has made moves that have left MDA out to dry, no coach ever wants to be in a position to be guaranteed to lose. I can guarantee that MDA would've loved to have gotten Sessions or any other PG to come in and give him more than just Duhon to run the team. Remember that MDA's brother knew the kid REALLY well and they spoke highly of him, so if it was up the MDA and his brother they would've signed Sessions. That was the best proof that Walsh ultimately calls the shots, but of course he is gonna always look to try and give the coach what he wants, but not everything.

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12/3/2009  8:46 PM
Gallo was a D'Antoni pick. Getting Duhon was D'Antoni. Not dealing with Marbs was D'Antoni. Not signing AI was D'Antoni. I think Walsh has made the rest of the moves based on his goals and plans for the team.
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12/3/2009  8:47 PM
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12/3/2009  8:49 PM
misterearl wrote:Net Worth: $1.7 billion
Education: John Carroll University, Drop Out,

Just another reminder that life really is unfair.

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12/3/2009  8:49 PM
orangeblobman wrote:that's the beauty of the current knicks. it's not any ONE person. this team is being run the right way, with input from all sides of the basketball.

what is different now than in the isiah era is that there is a mutual respect. we are talking about professionals in every sense of the word. they respect each other and conduct their business, make their decisions, and run the team this way.

to ask who wears the pants is to really dig for trouble, imho. cheers.

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12/3/2009  9:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Gallo was a D'Antoni pick. Getting Duhon was D'Antoni. Not dealing with Marbs was D'Antoni. Not signing AI was D'Antoni. I think Walsh has made the rest of the moves based on his goals and plans for the team.

What about Hill and TD? It would seem that those were very much Walsh picks! I think things are working the way they should. Decisions seem balanced. OH and on the Duhon pick, remember that there were Walsh imposed limitations on who MDA could get. They had to be someone willing to take only a 2 yr deal. That wasn't a very long list at the time. Duhon was about the only real option with the basic skills and willing to do a short deal. In a sense that's still a Walsh deal.

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12/3/2009  9:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2009  9:15 PM
I find it hard to believe that J. Hill wasn't chosen by Channing Frye sheesh

Seriously, since Dantoni chose Duhon, and already picked gallo the previous yr, walsh had to make the next choice and maybe took hill(but he had to be a docile type player from MDA to coach) good point.

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12/3/2009  10:47 PM
playa2 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:For years in NY we have determined that the GM/Coach relationship is a competition. They fight over the players they want and the loser gets fired. You hire a GM. The GM hires a coach he wants and then picks players that fit his philosophy. Then together the GM, coach and scouts decide on a player. That's how the good teams do it. But for some reason in NY we think it's a competition

Bip just imagine what the knicks would be today if we would have kept Ernie Grunfeld instead of Jeff vandundy. We would have never fallen victim to the ewing & vangundy onslaught on the knicks future. IMHO that's where the slide started. Ewing should have finished off his contract with the knicks so we could have utilized his salary for real players instead of washups Longley and Glen rice etc...

Playa imagine if you will you have a GM/Coach and scouting team all on the same page regarding the direction of the team. All giving input for a common goal. The power of team always beats the power of one.

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12/3/2009  11:26 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Gallo was a D'Antoni pick. Getting Duhon was D'Antoni. Not dealing with Marbs was D'Antoni. Not signing AI was D'Antoni. I think Walsh has made the rest of the moves based on his goals and plans for the team.

What about Hill and TD? It would seem that those were very much Walsh picks! I think things are working the way they should. Decisions seem balanced. OH and on the Duhon pick, remember that there were Walsh imposed limitations on who MDA could get. They had to be someone willing to take only a 2 yr deal. That wasn't a very long list at the time. Duhon was about the only real option with the basic skills and willing to do a short deal. In a sense that's still a Walsh deal.

I don't think we are disagreeing about the picks. I said Gallo was D'Antoni's pick and attributed some other moves to D'Antoni. I agree that Hill and Douglas were Walsh's picks. That was why I said that Walsh had made the rest of the moves based on his goals and plans for the team.

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12/4/2009  4:11 PM
Not Daddy Charles Dolan, Jim Dolan, the son..

When Charles was in charge, those were the good old days but as soon as Jim took over, you started seeing the decline.


Not getting Iverson was his call. Trading Spree and Camby was his call, Throwing all that $$$ to Allan Houston for 100m was his call.

Hiring Isiah was not! That was Steve Mills call. Dolan approved it..

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