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TMS
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11/29/2009  8:48 PM
Duhon's playing his best game of the season & he sits for much of the 4th quarter... Gallo is making shots in the 1st half & he sits for most of the 2nd half... Nate & Hughes are stinking it up in the 1st 3 quarters & TD can't even get into the game... Fishlips is contributing absolutely nothing for the entire game but he sees extended run in the 2nd half while Hill & Darko can't see any time at all.

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11/29/2009  9:30 PM
Is he under orders to showcase our shyt? I mean no one in their right minds would have played fishlips that many minutes in the second half. Like him hate him, you can't be a succesful coach in the NBA if you don't see the obvious. I think his hand is being forced to some degree.
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11/29/2009  9:31 PM
HE'S OBVIOUSLY under some ****ing obligation. this is compounded by the contract situation. lay off mda. believe you me-- if he had his choice, half this ****ing roster wouldn't get a minute on the court. lay off.
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11/29/2009  9:48 PM
Duhon sat the 4th quarter because Nate ws on fire.....Nate and Duhon in the same backcourt kill us defensively. As far as Jeffries is concerned, I cant call it. Its obvious Hill aint getting no bunr until sometim in Feb perhaps, but why not let Milicic get Jeffries minutes?
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11/29/2009  9:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/29/2009  9:54 PM
Uptown wrote:Duhon sat the 4th quarter because Nate ws on fire.....Nate and Duhon in the same backcourt kill us defensively. As far as Jeffries is concerned, I cant call it. Its obvious Hill aint getting no bunr until sometim in Feb perhaps, but why not let Milicic get Jeffries minutes?

milicic don't get no minutes because he's a yugoslav-- and you don't **** with yugoslavs...he too cool for his own self-- dawg in the dog house

yugo = south , slav = slav

southern slav. they da cream of the crop of slavics.

note, please, the english etymology of 'slave' traces it's roots to the Slavic people-- the original slaves, under the mongols first and then under the western europeans. word is bond.

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11/29/2009  10:12 PM
loweyecue wrote:Is he under orders to showcase our shyt? I mean no one in their right minds would have played fishlips that many minutes in the second half. Like him hate him, you can't be a succesful coach in the NBA if you don't see the obvious. I think his hand is being forced to some degree.

i still don't get it tho, he's played Duhon 40+ minutes in games when he's playing like crap this year, & tonight when Duhon's playing his best game of the year he can't get any burn in crunchtime? just doesn't make any sense... this is some ass backwards shiet.

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11/29/2009  10:15 PM
Uptown wrote:Duhon sat the 4th quarter because Nate ws on fire.....Nate and Duhon in the same backcourt kill us defensively.

well if we needed defense then why didn't TD get into the game? Hughes was playing horribly tonight & Chandler sorta disappeared after the 1st quarter.

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11/29/2009  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/29/2009  10:21 PM
TMS wrote:
Uptown wrote:Duhon sat the 4th quarter because Nate ws on fire.....Nate and Duhon in the same backcourt kill us defensively.

well if we needed defense then why didn't TD get into the game? Hughes was playing horribly tonight & Chandler sorta disappeared after the 1st quarter.

tms, i be respecting you. and i is blasted. read my post on cosmic's hoes, and tell me waht you be feeling. i respect da dawg.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=33143

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11/29/2009  10:50 PM
TMS wrote:Duhon's playing his best game of the season & he sits for much of the 4th quarter... Gallo is making shots in the 1st half & he sits for most of the 2nd half... Nate & Hughes are stinking it up in the 1st 3 quarters & TD can't even get into the game... Fishlips is contributing absolutely nothing for the entire game but he sees extended run in the 2nd half while Hill & Darko can't see any time at all.

Why you think that only officiatong can be fixed. Coaching can be fixed too. FBI is already on MDA case... Shhhhh

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11/29/2009  10:57 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/darko_days_on_bench_jJ9ZZh4n0YtwB3HaoD9y5H

Milicic got his hackles up when asked if he thinks he will return if he excels in practice.

"The NBA is not like that," Milicic said. "That's what I learned in Detroit. You can be bleeping Michael Jordan in practice, you're still not going to play in the game. They used to tell me in Detroit, show me in practice what I can do. I showed and showed. But then I didn't play. Practice is practice. The game is the game. Coach has his guys he wants to play he thinks is going to make this team a winning team."

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11/30/2009  8:14 AM
TMS wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/darko_days_on_bench_jJ9ZZh4n0YtwB3HaoD9y5H

Milicic got his hackles up when asked if he thinks he will return if he excels in practice.

"The NBA is not like that," Milicic said. "That's what I learned in Detroit. You can be bleeping Michael Jordan in practice, you're still not going to play in the game. They used to tell me in Detroit, show me in practice what I can do. I showed and showed. But then I didn't play. Practice is practice. The game is the game. Coach has his guys he wants to play he thinks is going to make this team a winning team."

I read that too.

Here is another quote from MDA about not signing Jason Williams over the summer:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/curry_still_kneeds_little_rest_kDndHxzFpkNfT7euKrTSiK

"It's tough to assess anybody in the summertime, he looked like Jason Williams after taking a year off," D'Antoni said.

I'm pretty much at the point that my heart still likes MDA, but my mind is starting to be really torn about him.

On the one hand, he has garbage to coach.

On the other hand, his coaching has looked a lot like garbage this year.

Maybe its more than just the players that are mailing it in this year?

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11/30/2009  8:49 AM
Darko has had some chances to play and has been pretty far from impressive.

I dont know enough about MDA or his coaching. I know this Knick team is terrible, and I know he got some of those Pho teams to overachieve.

I dont know if MDA's coaching is part of a plan or not. If they are trying to get wins out of this group or boost their value or get them to play out of it then OK. Thats part of the plan.

Sometimes I get the feeling he's just coaching out the string just like a lot of these players are playing out the string.

One thing I will say is numbers do matter. Just because guys are on losing or terrible teams doesnt mean it kills their value. Jamison, CWebb, Jason Terry, Rip Hamilton, Camby, Crawford, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, McDyess... tons of players around the league played extended years on terrible teams and were still highly valued around the league when available. Pretty obvious a lot of these players just want good numbers so they can collect a decent paycheck somewhere else next year.

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11/30/2009  9:01 AM
I am really baffled at MDA right now. What does he see in Dudu and Fishlips to give them this kind of support?
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11/30/2009  11:03 AM
its not just the rotations that make no sense, its the entire coacching strategy

at the 4 something mark Breen and Clyde were wondering would NY employ the hack a Howard strategy to try and extend the game vs lting the Magic eat clock and exchanging baskets with them...MDA didn't have someone give the foul til a little over 2 minutes to go. With Nate that hot and Howard being such a terrible free throw shooter, seems like the common sense thing to do. The chance of trading 0 for 2/3 seem alot higher than letting Rashard Lewis get wide open looks.

or how abt the Jeffries inbound turnover, why not use a timeout?

against Boston they didn't give the foul

Galinari sitting in a tight al offense game against Denver

if this were Chaney or Isiah consistently making such awful strategy decisions people would be calling for their heads. The players may not be the best but the coach is a total loser. He is indefensible. All of us here have been watching the nba for at least 10 years. The decisions he is or isn't making usually get coaches fired. MDA should be no exception.

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11/30/2009  11:20 AM
McK1 wrote:its not just the rotations that make no sense, its the entire coacching strategy

at the 4 something mark Breen and Clyde were wondering would NY employ the hack a Howard strategy to try and extend the game vs lting the Magic eat clock and exchanging baskets with them...MDA didn't have someone give the foul til a little over 2 minutes to go. With Nate that hot and Howard being such a terrible free throw shooter, seems like the common sense thing to do. The chance of trading 0 for 2/3 seem alot higher than letting Rashard Lewis get wide open looks.

or how abt the Jeffries inbound turnover, why not use a timeout?

against Boston they didn't give the foul

Galinari sitting in a tight al offense game against Denver

if this were Chaney or Isiah consistently making such awful strategy decisions people would be calling for their heads. The players may not be the best but the coach is a total loser. He is indefensible. All of us here have been watching the nba for at least 10 years. The decisions he is or isn't making usually get coaches fired. MDA should be no exception.


When a coach is fired in the NBA how often does the replacement come in and have an impact? I would say very rarely. I cant think of a time when a coach came in and was able to turn a team around in mid season.
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11/30/2009  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2009  11:24 AM
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:its not just the rotations that make no sense, its the entire coacching strategy

at the 4 something mark Breen and Clyde were wondering would NY employ the hack a Howard strategy to try and extend the game vs lting the Magic eat clock and exchanging baskets with them...MDA didn't have someone give the foul til a little over 2 minutes to go. With Nate that hot and Howard being such a terrible free throw shooter, seems like the common sense thing to do. The chance of trading 0 for 2/3 seem alot higher than letting Rashard Lewis get wide open looks.

or how abt the Jeffries inbound turnover, why not use a timeout?

against Boston they didn't give the foul

Galinari sitting in a tight al offense game against Denver

if this were Chaney or Isiah consistently making such awful strategy decisions people would be calling for their heads. The players may not be the best but the coach is a total loser. He is indefensible. All of us here have been watching the nba for at least 10 years. The decisions he is or isn't making usually get coaches fired. MDA should be no exception.


When a coach is fired in the NBA how often does the replacement come in and have an impact? I would say very rarely. I cant think of a time when a coach came in and was able to turn a team around in mid season.

nets win on to win 14 straight when the recently fired lawrence frank took over for byron scott.

avery when he first took over for Nellie went 18-2

that dileo guy got the sixers to the play-offs last season without brand

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McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:its not just the rotations that make no sense, its the entire coacching strategy

at the 4 something mark Breen and Clyde were wondering would NY employ the hack a Howard strategy to try and extend the game vs lting the Magic eat clock and exchanging baskets with them...MDA didn't have someone give the foul til a little over 2 minutes to go. With Nate that hot and Howard being such a terrible free throw shooter, seems like the common sense thing to do. The chance of trading 0 for 2/3 seem alot higher than letting Rashard Lewis get wide open looks.

or how abt the Jeffries inbound turnover, why not use a timeout?

against Boston they didn't give the foul

Galinari sitting in a tight al offense game against Denver

if this were Chaney or Isiah consistently making such awful strategy decisions people would be calling for their heads. The players may not be the best but the coach is a total loser. He is indefensible. All of us here have been watching the nba for at least 10 years. The decisions he is or isn't making usually get coaches fired. MDA should be no exception.


When a coach is fired in the NBA how often does the replacement come in and have an impact? I would say very rarely. I cant think of a time when a coach came in and was able to turn a team around in mid season.

nets win on to win 14 straight when the recently fired lawrence frank took over for byron scott.

avery when he first took over for Nellie went 18-2

that dileo guy got the sixers to the play-offs last season without brand

your gonna have to dig a little deeper than that. We don't have Kidd, KMart, Jefferies on the team.

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11/30/2009  11:28 AM
mchale when he took over for flip got that team to 44 wins. they were 25-26 when he fired flip
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11/30/2009  12:03 PM
McK1 wrote:mchale when he took over for flip got that team to 44 wins. they were 25-26 when he fired flip
so they went from one game under to 6 games over and they had good players. Kind of my point. Dallas had an elite team. The Nets were pretty good to no?

What are the Knicks supossed to do? I bet if we gave all these guys 3 year extensions and hired Mark Jackson maybe he could pilot them to 39 wins. Its not going to happen.

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11/30/2009  12:38 PM
i'm not blaming MDA for how this team stinks, but his insistence on playing Fishlips who is probably the worst NBA player i've ever seen baffles me to no end... playing him more minutes only DECREASES the guy's trade value, doesn't he see this? does MDA & Walsh actually think other GM's are gonna be beating down our doors to take his contract off our hands when they see him putting up 0 pt / 0 reb / 0 blk type performances in 20 minutes of action? or when he's throwing an inbounds pass halfway up court to the other team's player at a critical point in the game? the man has zero basketball skills whatsoever... other than drawing a charge every once in a while he's completely useless, & yet someone with some real basketball skills like Jordan Hill can't see any action.

i can understand keeping Duhon in the game when he's playing well, the guy does have skills as we saw last season... in his case u can say he's built up a trust level w/MDA... but Fishlips was garbage last year just like he's garbage this year... u can put a layer of frosting on a pile of **** & call it dessert, but it's still a pile of ****.

i think MDA is an excellent coach & have no problem w/his hiring... but i just can't stomach watching Jordan Hill wasting away on the bench while Fishlips gets minutes... it just eats at my core.

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