While I'm definitely behind the plan to get under the cap, I believe what Karl says has some merit. After a while the losing does get to people...many on this board are already asking for MDA to be fired when it was already understood when he signed that we would be bottoming out to get under the cap. It was already understood that this was going to be a long season, with much of the dead weight playing out the string on the last year of thier contracts, knowing they had no future here.

Losing is getting to MDA aswell which is why is leaning on his vets more. Coaches coach to win games, not to throw games for extra lotto balls. He's not going to sacrifice a possible win (even though its impossible with this group) just to get a rookie some extra minutes especially this early in the season. As a fan, I want to see the rooks get the experience, as a fan, if we had a pick, I would want to see us have the best possible shot at getting a 1st pick. But thats not a coaches mentality....and I can understand that.

And, again, any fan that doesn't understand the above, or, refuses to accept it as a necessary process, needs to be Old'Yellerd.

Meaning? They both knew these two years were throwaways, and HAD to be throwaways.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Anyone who doesn't understand the concept of rebuilding (1. tear down the mess by the predecessor. 2. wait for that mess to disappear. 3. start building from scratch from the ashes that afford flexibility. 4. create your foundation. 5. add to the foundation and finally compete) needs to, well, educate themselves.

Anyone who expected to be good this year, or expect management to make trades to try to be good this year, are lost causes.

If Duhon is still running the show at the end of the season like he is now, and David is perfecting his matador D, and AH is chucking, and N8 is freaking out, then I'd have to reevaluate my point of view. They should be getting more bench time later in the season while we shift into full rebuild mode. At Thanksgiving I was soundly overruled by most hoops loving family members when I defended Gallo as a core part of our rebuilding effort. They said he won't be a factor in the future. So I am just as eager to see him get minutes and have the rock distributed to him more often. If he has a bum back, it will become apparent. If he has post moves, we'll get to see them.

Right now, it seems we are doing things just right. Once the dust settles at around New Year's, we will start our process of improving our rookies. Not necessarily starting, but getting the lion's share of minutes, I'd like to see much more of TD, Hill, Gallo, and Chandler. I want them to experience the tough process of forming a team identity. I want them to gain confidence and establish some belief in the Knicks progress and future. The only vets who should stay are those who add value AND buy into the system. Certainly we will need to attract a star PG to efficiently run this offense. Could be Lebron running point like he does for the Cavs. Could be Rubio or CP3 (a year later) or could be a rookie we trade for or draft. I trust Donnie and MDA to make smart moves until they prove incapable of it.

I realize I have been somewhat of an apologist for Knicks management, but it really seems like they are making the right decisions so far. The shyte ain't hit the fan just yet. But it will starting later this season. It's something to look forward to as we prepare for the all important summer recruiting.